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Ask HN: Have you added a Pride flag in your logo?

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Re: Ask HN: Have you added a Pride flag in your logo?

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Post by PaulHoule »

johng wrote: post #8
PaulHoule wrote: post #7

Nothing is inclusive unless it is inclusive to the majority of people. I have no problem with "gay", "lesbian", "bisexual", "transexual" and other identities, but I don't like LGBTQIA+ (or whatever it is today) as a label because I believe that label erases the individual identities involved. In fact, labels in general tend to obscure reality, see [1] [2] [3]. As an activist I've seen that the strategy of taking the…

I'm so out of touch. This is the first time I've even heard the term Foxworker, Fox Spirits. And while I've seen the term intersex, never in this context. I have a lot of learning to do.

See https://cup.columbia.edu/book/the-cult-of-the-fox/9780231133...

Re: Ask HN: Have you added a Pride flag in your logo?

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Post by razille »

Be cautious with this, as the newest iteration of the flag, the "Progress Pride" design, is considered by some in the community to represent misogyny and homophobia.

If you are going to add a Pride flag to your logo, the traditional rainbow one would be less controversial.

Re: Ask HN: Have you added a Pride flag in your logo?

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Post by PaulHoule »

razille wrote: post #12

Be cautious with this, as the newest iteration of the flag, the "Progress Pride" design, is considered by some in the community to represent misogyny and homophobia. If you are going to add a Pride flag to your logo, the traditional rainbow one would be less controversial.

Here's a sympathetic article on the new flag

https://www.vam.ac.uk/articles/the-progress-pride-flag?srslt...

in which I can still pick out some problems I have with the flag and the movement in its current state:

   ... the brown and black ones represent marginalised People of Colour (POC) communities
This fits a pattern of declaring that certain groups of people are allies without the consent of those groups. "People of Color" is problematic enough because it conflates black people with hispanic and indigenous people who don't necessarily see themselves as aligned. One thing I learned early in my career as an activist is that black people, in particular, don't want to be told what they are supposed to think or feel about things from people outside their community.

Not only does this alienate people directly, but if you drink that Kool-Aid you're going to avoid doing the long and hard work of reaching out to people, being present for their struggles, learning about them, and compromising that actually creates allies.

Since there are so many people who fly that flag who will treat you like an an enemy if you agree with only 70% of what they say, I'd be afraid that if I flew today's Pride flag, tomorrow somebody will bitch me out for flying the wrong flag so I want nothing to do it.

Re: Ask HN: Have you added a Pride flag in your logo?

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Post by swah »

johng wrote: post #8
PaulHoule wrote: post #7

Nothing is inclusive unless it is inclusive to the majority of people. I have no problem with "gay", "lesbian", "bisexual", "transexual" and other identities, but I don't like LGBTQIA+ (or whatever it is today) as a label because I believe that label erases the individual identities involved. In fact, labels in general tend to obscure reality, see [1] [2] [3]. As an activist I've seen that the strategy of taking the…

I'm so out of touch. This is the first time I've even heard the term Foxworker, Fox Spirits. And while I've seen the term intersex, never in this context. I have a lot of learning to do.

Not gonna lie it does sound like an elaborate joke even after a few re-reads. No matches for "foxworker" on Reddit...
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