Their stance on Ukraine is bothering me. If not that, I’d be trusting them 100%. Had to revoke all recommendations and start actively point out to others this.
What is their stance on Ukraine?
Ask HN: Why do you trust Kagi?
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Re: Ask HN: Why do you trust Kagi?
#12Their stance on Ukraine is bothering me. If not that, I’d be trusting them 100%. Had to revoke all recommendations and start actively point out to others this.
What is their stance on Ukraine?
They have Yandex integration for which they pay a fee. Yandex is owned by Russia and financially contributing to its invasion into Ukraine. When pointed out [1] their repsonse essentially was "Any good search engine remains unimpressed by world politics".
There is no way of opting out for people who care.
[1] https://kagifeedback.org/d/5445-reconsider-yandex-integratio...
Re: Ask HN: Why do you trust Kagi?
#13I don't trust Kagi (any more than I trust any random stranger). I was an early customer but I stopped using it because I really disliked the idea of my search activity being permanently tied to my identity.
I read that they added a privacy pass feature that supposedly makes the two unlinkable, so I'll take another look soon.
P.S. On the topic of search engines, Brave Search has improved a lot over the past 2 years. I still think it's lagging behind Google a bit, specifically when it comes to local results in non-English speaking countries, but back then I couldn't even reliably use it look up programming docs. Kudos.
Re: Ask HN: Why do you trust Kagi?
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is their stance on Ukraine?
They have Yandex integration for which they pay a fee. Yandex is owned by Russia and financially contributing to its invasion into Ukraine. When pointed out [1] their repsonse essentially was "Any good search engine remains unimpressed by world politics". There is no way of opting out for people who care. [1] https://kagifeedback.org/d/5445-reconsider-yandex-integratio...
USA has actively participated in overthrowing democracies around the world. Not to mention killing thousands of common people in Middle East and elsewhere. But the same emotions doesn't rise here. Too much hypocrisy?
Re: Ask HN: Why do you trust Kagi?
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
They have Yandex integration for which they pay a fee. Yandex is owned by Russia and financially contributing to its invasion into Ukraine. When pointed out [1] their repsonse essentially was "Any good search engine remains unimpressed by world politics". There is no way of opting out for people who care. [1] https://kagifeedback.org/d/5445-reconsider-yandex-integratio...
USA has actively participated in overthrowing democracies around the world. Not to mention killing thousands of common people in Middle East and elsewhere. But the same emotions doesn't rise here. Too much hypocrisy?
You are very welcome to bring this topic up as a separate discussion. But currently this is whataboutism.
Re: Ask HN: Why do you trust Kagi?
#16You should never trust Kagi, it is funded by investors and VCs, so eventually it will succumb to platform decay or “enshittification” for lack of a better word.
The investors would want a return on their investment soon, so you should start questioning your honeymoon period with Kagi if you’re using it.
Re: Ask HN: Why do you trust Kagi?
#17Ah, I think you may have most of your interest in the privacy aspects, but I personally lean more on the results.
I'd say I have faith that they're doing the right thing, but it's by no means the reason I use their platform. If privacy is your main goal, I understand the hesitancy. I'm not sure how one would prove privacy (maybe that new feature they had with tokens unassociated with an account), but that would be very interesting.
Re: Ask HN: Why do you trust Kagi?
#18You should never trust Kagi, it is funded by investors and VCs, so eventually it will succumb to platform decay or “enshittification” for lack of a better word. The investors would want a return on their investment soon, so you should start questioning your honeymoon period with Kagi if you’re using it. https://blog.kagi.com/safe-round
If/when Kagi becomes worse than the alternatives, then I'll switch to an alternative. No big deal, switching search engines is pain-free.
In the meantime, I'll continue to enjoy being able to actually find stuff on the web again.
Re: Ask HN: Why do you trust Kagi?
#19It’s like 2008 Google. Even if they did monetize, it has the usefulness of 2008 Google.
Re: Ask HN: Why do you trust Kagi?
#20I do not. I've stopped subscribing since I learned they use Yandex.