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Ask HN: Are there "story-based" and "fact-based" people?

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Re: Ask HN: Are there "story-based" and "fact-based" people?

#11
It sure does ring true. I think fact-based more or less overlaps with unbiased and open-mindedness while the other category is more on the side of having certain mental biases either as a result of personal experience or ideology, for this category new evidence and facts do not make much of a difference unless they are too big and readily perceivable.

Re: Ask HN: Are there "story-based" and "fact-based" people?

#12
Spiritually, there is a dichotomy, but it is (as most things) perhaps more nuanced than you've laid out here. This dichotomy is also commonly referred to as "top-down vs bottom-up" or "strategic vs tactical" or "big picture vs in the weeds."

On places where I agree with you: there are some people who naturally think about the big narrative, what could be done, the vision, and the way the hero will progress through their journey. There are also people who think through the day-to-day, less about the hero's journey and more about how the hero will get from Town A to Town B in two days. Great pairings come from having both; this is one of the reasons that co-founder teams are often so much more successful than individuals. They complement each other.

On the places where I disagree with you: some of your statements refer to reactions when the scenario requires thinking that is different than natural strengths. A successful "narrative" person understands and respects that someone needs to be thinking through the day-to-day, and a successful "facts" person understands that someone needs to be setting the big goals. They recognize weaknesses in themselves as strengths in another.

For example, a fully-aware "narrative" person won't think it's wrong to pierce a valuable story with contrary facts. They will respect that their story should be updated. And a fully-aware "facts" person won't put their foot in their mouth by saying things at the wrong time. They'll respectfully listen to others and chime in when it's appropriate to build up the group. None of us are perfect, so we will all make mistakes here, especially under stress.

Re: Ask HN: Are there "story-based" and "fact-based" people?

#13
It would help to have an example, but this kind of reminds me of a difference in perspective I've experienced with some people when engaging in dialog in real life.

The only way I've found to describe the difference in perspective I experience with some people is that I'll establish a thread with the intention of abstract curious exploration, not necessarily having anything to do with a discrete concrete problem, fact, or event, and they'll interpret it as though I'm looking for an answer to my specific personal problem, then getting frustrated when I steer it back to a more theoretical anecdote.

Most recently we were walking by a marina, and I was talking with them about their interest in getting into sailing. Tangentially, I posed the rhetorical question of "Hmm, I wonder how the municipality permits/taxes/allocates property when it comes to it being on the water? As in, is there a finite amount of shoreline that someone could have the right to build a dock on a charge for parking space?".

They immediately got frustrated that I was asking them exactly what the dollar value was that this specific Marina would be paying, but I was just establishing a vague idea to talk about, whereby if they had any insight, it would be something to discuss hypothetically.

In other cases it's been the economy, as in what effects might be had if X hypothetical policy change was passed, and they've answered with advice on specific personal investment mechanics as though I'm trying to solve a personal financial problem and looking for an account to open.

Reflecting on this, although different than your quandry, seems to come down to whether someone is intuitively an abstract thinker or likes that sort of discussion, or whether they're more about the concrete details of some specific case, and uninterested in intangibles.

Note that I also don't shy away from personal discussion, it's just that there can be more to explore in curious, abstract, larger scale topics, and it's an element of chemistry whether someone will run with your type of communication

Re: Ask HN: Are there "story-based" and "fact-based" people?

#14
Most people will prefer a commonly accepted version of truth; autistic folks tend to be willing to violate that status quo and can get in trouble for it.

Remember to be pragmatic and not die on a hill for the sake of an argument that isn't worth the trouble: Pick your battles.

And make sure your facts are really facts. Facts are hard. Bring solid information to back yourself up.

And keep in mind that truth tends to be very good at winning its own fights in the long term. If patience is an option, make use of it and play for the long game.

Re: Ask HN: Are there "story-based" and "fact-based" people?

#16
Absolutely: Architects vs Builders Project Managers vs Project Engineers Planners vs Doers

I used to think it was just an experience/wisdom thing - e.g.: when you're younger, you tend to be biased to action, builder/doer mindset, "what and how", "fact-based". Then as you become more experienced, you tend to plan more, focus on the bigger picture eg: "why and when", "story-based"

But the longer I've been around, I now see that people are just all wired differently.

The Myers Briggs test[1] is an interesting exercise to identify these traits (and a lot more).

I've done it multiple times over the years and while I'm certain I didn't use the exact same answers each time, the results always converge on the same personality type.

[1] https://www.16personalities.com

Re: Ask HN: Are there "story-based" and "fact-based" people?

#19
Some people are finding "story-based" thinking, as you phrase it, to be the case in general among many people. Here's a recent study that makes similar points.

https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/730763

When Truth Trumps Facts: Studies on Partisan Moral Flexibility in American Politics

This article presents results from a series of online surveys—conducted among American voters during and after the Trump administration that show how voters from both parties provide explicit moral justification for politicians’ statements that flagrantly violate the norm of fact-grounding. Such justification is inconsistent with prevailing theory, whereby partisan voters’ tendency to mistake misinformation for fact is what drives their positive response to misinformation purveyed by partisan standard-bearers. The studies presented here provide consistent evidence of such factual flexibility. Yet they also provide consistent evidence of moral flexibility, whereby voters justify demagogic fact-flouting as an effective way of proclaiming a deeply resonant political “truth.” A key implication is that political misinformation cannot be fully eliminated by getting voters to distinguish fact from fiction; voters’ moral orientations may be such that they prefer fact-flouting. More general lessons pertain to the role of democratic norms in liberal democracies and to how moral orientations relate to perceived interests.

Relevant quote, p. 227: Table 6 presents responses that attest to a range of distinct but overlapping themes in these qualitative data. In particular, some articulate to moral flexibility as a strategy in partisan politics, such that they weigh the “deeper truth” more than commitment to fact-grounding. One such example, expressed by a respondent who supported the DeSantis statement, was presented in the introduction of this article. “I believe that there are times when it is more important for a leader to send the right message, even if it is not entirely accurate” (respondent 216). Another respondent, who assessed the “the right message” as more important that objective evidence when evaluating Biden’s statement said: “In a public health crisis such as the COVID-19 pandemic, it was more important for President Biden to appeal to American values of patriotism and the willingness to step up for others. Most people are aware that while vaccinations greatly reduce the spread of disease, there is no vaccine that can completely, utterly stop it. However, Biden was using strong, emotional, positive language to encourage Americans to do what was morally correct and patriotic at that moment, and I feel that was entirely appropriate” (respondent 37).

Re: Ask HN: Are there "story-based" and "fact-based" people?

#20
post #6

What you describe sounds more like an attempt to classify aspects of the "Big 5" personality traits in some kind of binary system. Your "fact-based" persona seems to be low in agreeableness while the "story-based' is rather high in it (put very simplified).

"Story-based" would also correspond to "Intuition (N)" in the Myers-Briggs classification, while "Fact-based" corresponds to "Sensing (S)" (There is also some correspondence to "Thinking (T)" vs "Feeling (F)".

Yes, I know that Myers-Briggs rests on a shaky empirical basis, but it makes for a good narrative.

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