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Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?

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I believe that school is a huge problem. Don’t give drugs, they can permanently mess up his mind. ADHD and ADD are defense mechanisms the mind has. His brain is basically saying that what he is learning in school is a complete waste of his time. Even though we all do it, school is a really weird behavior! No animals do it and we aren’t designed for it. I don’t believe that school is worth it for many people. They bec…

> Don’t give drugs, they can permanently mess up his mind.

Reading your entire comment, but especially this sentence makes my blood boil.

None of this is backed up by science and you provide no sources.

This is the equivalent to flat earthers explaining how the universe works or anti-vaxxers how thoughts cure disease.

The OPPOSITE is true: Medication, especially given during age when neuroplasticity is still high can have the best long term effects on neurological development and avoid many adverse life effects normally associated with untreated ADHD such as substance abuse and risky behavior.

Sources:

https://www.additudemag.com/long-term-effects-of-adhd-medica...

https://childmind.org/article/will-adhd-medication-change-my...

And about a dozen more if you google for 10 minutes.

All typical medication used for treating ADHD has been around for decades with mountains of clinical data.

Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?

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post #6

I believe that school is a huge problem. Don’t give drugs, they can permanently mess up his mind. ADHD and ADD are defense mechanisms the mind has. His brain is basically saying that what he is learning in school is a complete waste of his time. Even though we all do it, school is a really weird behavior! No animals do it and we aren’t designed for it. I don’t believe that school is worth it for many people. They bec…

Take a 12 year old out of school? That's grade 5. They're learning to write paragraphs and their times tables. Not many business leaders can't write a paragraph or do 7*5 in their head.

Better advice would be to get them into something at school, that allows them to hyper focus. Something that draws them in. Science or programming, or even art.

Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?

#13
personally, as a retired psychotherapist

Be very wary of ADHD diagnosis, The consequences are huge and have a massive impact on childrens lives.

I hate all ADHD diagnoses, for me I have always seen just naughty children who need time to develop at their own pace and not develop at someone else's pace or for the benefit of any school cariculum or parental needs.

Do not give any child medication to control ADHD, why would you give an amphetamine to any child

I have had this a few times working with children and I have always suggested looking into Dyslexia.

you say "he is good at math but would often misread the problems and answer the wrong question".

This for me is Dyslexia.

how can a child concentrate when he cannot understand what is in the books he is supposed to be able to read.

The child inevitably becomes disruptive so they are not shamed by adults or their peers for being stupid.

call a psychologist and have a Dyslexia test

Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?

#14
Advice for you: accept him as he is, and provide support.

I had three sons so diagnosed. One was a soldier and now a Process Engineer. One does software in Silicon Valley. One is a musician and works as a programmer at a major retailer data center. All three quite successful.

Understand that help from doctors and schools are all about pushing him back into a box for their benefit. When they have challenges dealing with school processes, they double down on those processes (instead of adapting them so he can succeed). They drug him to remove objectionable parts of his personality. They'd rather blunt his intellect with drugs to make him fit, than direct his energy usefully.

Advocate for him! He's being told on all sides that he is defective or abnormal, instead of just a different kind of person.

Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?

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post #6

I believe that school is a huge problem. Don’t give drugs, they can permanently mess up his mind. ADHD and ADD are defense mechanisms the mind has. His brain is basically saying that what he is learning in school is a complete waste of his time. Even though we all do it, school is a really weird behavior! No animals do it and we aren’t designed for it. I don’t believe that school is worth it for many people. They bec…

The parent is nuts, please discard anything it says. Science and researches are very effective for ADHD, that's a chance!

Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?

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post #6

I believe that school is a huge problem. Don’t give drugs, they can permanently mess up his mind. ADHD and ADD are defense mechanisms the mind has. His brain is basically saying that what he is learning in school is a complete waste of his time. Even though we all do it, school is a really weird behavior! No animals do it and we aren’t designed for it. I don’t believe that school is worth it for many people. They bec…

Also wrong about the learning something that's a waste. ADD can show up as soon as 5 years old. I noticed symptoms in my 5 year old kid. They were slight, but they reminded me of me. She was learning shapes and colors, and how to spell 'cat'.

Should I have taken her out of school so she could avoid learning how to spell?

Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?

#17
The child is in more danger from medications during the process of brain development.

Thats why their are different prescribing protocols for adults and children and why pregnant women do not take any drugs because they can damage the developing fetal brain.

Neuroplasticity refers to the ability of the brain to reorganize and modify its neural connections in response to environmental stimuli, experience, learning, injury, and disease processes. NOT taking while DRUGS,

Neuroplasticity refers to changes in brain structure and function throughout the entire lifespan of a human being.

damage the brain when a child is young and it is damaged for life.

Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?

#18
diet

a busy mind aint cheap to feed

and if he is physical,ie: will do grueling work to achive an objective, then double down on the food

nothing wrong with the ocasional ""meat" coma"

food coma

the simple comfort of satiation

your proof, is that if he does not get fat, just bigger, stronger, faster, happier

many an ox, has gotten through school just fine, and wised up latter

Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?

#19
From my experience as a parent of a 11 year old with ADHD:

- we start the diagnosis process because he was very depressed as being bad at school, everything was hard, while there was no need.

- meds are fantastic, they let all his qualities shine. They do require some experimentation at the beginning. At the beginning I was not at ease with giving him meds, but it turns out there's no lasting effect, and the difference is night and day. Depending on the severity, meds are not mandatory when he will be adult

- ADHD people often have issues with handling emotions, that's why he sees a psychologist (avoid psychoanalysts at all costs, they cause so much damage) twice a month, to help him process, vent and learn how to manage them. That part is slow to improve but that's normal.

- if we hadn't done the process by ourselves, school wouldn't have detected it because it wasn't so explicit,and there's a lot of misconceptions. I strongly suggest reading books/blogs, to have the correct words to describe what kind of ADHD your nephew has. He needs to understand it too, that his brain needs glasses, it's nothing to be ashamed of (even if it's not easy)

- I really like this short book : https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35888681-my-brain-needs-...

- you will have to monitor teachers and school, because some will be downright abusive, or will ignore your nephew 's disability. Others will be great of course, but school in general has troubles adapting...

- tools and methods will help a lot, actively experiment to find out what works and alleviate your nephew specific issues (attention? Excitation? Time blindness? Social interactions? Etc)

- sleep is key, melatonin is great

To finish, ADHD is not easy everyday (especially in normative contexts like school), but as others hinted it is also a strength, with lots of great qualities and intense emotions.

Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?

#20
ADHD is a very vague diagnosis, worth it mostly to get access to medications and extra support in school, if the parents want to pursue those paths.

I would encourage the parents or some close relative to read the diagnosis in detail and explore what that means for his life. Especially study scoring related to working memory, the ability to focus, ability to communicate, and indicative IQ. He doesn't have to be good at math. Plenty of people aren't. There are lots of hobbies, lifestyles and career paths that suit people with various "disorders" and variations.

My daughter has obvious problems related to ADD, and while we haven't really solved anything yet, the most important step for me so far has been to set expectations for us as parents. I no longer care what grades she gets in classes that bore her too much, or that are based on facts she can't seem to remember. I focus more on her well-being, on improving her learning skills, and on encouraging activities for her to excel in. She has some very strong qualities, and I much prefer if she pursues them rather than setting her up to fail consistently in something she's not naturally suited for.

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