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Ask HN: How to go about reverse engineering and deformulating a beverage at home

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Re: Ask HN: How to go about reverse engineering and deformulating a beverage at home

#11

1. Buy the ingredients listed on the back 2. Look up basic proportions & recipes for canned sodas online, just to get an idea about how much to use 3. Start experimenting, varying the ratios of each ingredient in each batch

uh huh... 99% of the flavor is going to come from "Natural flavors" which is never defined.

Re: Ask HN: How to go about reverse engineering and deformulating a beverage at home

#12

1. Buy the ingredients listed on the back 2. Look up basic proportions & recipes for canned sodas online, just to get an idea about how much to use 3. Start experimenting, varying the ratios of each ingredient in each batch

I'm fairly certain this is an AI-generated answer.

Re: Ask HN: How to go about reverse engineering and deformulating a beverage at home

#13

1. Buy the ingredients listed on the back 2. Look up basic proportions & recipes for canned sodas online, just to get an idea about how much to use 3. Start experimenting, varying the ratios of each ingredient in each batch

Until you realize "Natural Flavors" does all of the heavy lifting!

Re: Ask HN: How to go about reverse engineering and deformulating a beverage at home

#17
post #12

1. Buy the ingredients listed on the back 2. Look up basic proportions & recipes for canned sodas online, just to get an idea about how much to use 3. Start experimenting, varying the ratios of each ingredient in each batch

I'm fairly certain this is an AI-generated answer.

Sucks for people who naturally write with ChatGPTs weirdly chipper cadence.

Re: Ask HN: How to go about reverse engineering and deformulating a beverage at home

#18
post #7

You could ship a sample out to get a liquid chromatography mass spectrometry analysis done.

Then when it comes back with 4000 molecules as a result, figuring out which 2 spices are responsible for 3993 of those.

A lab specializing in analyzing food will be able to help with that too.

Usually only a few aromatics will make up the bulk of the flavor and they’re well known molecules, especially if they’re synthetic.

Re: Ask HN: How to go about reverse engineering and deformulating a beverage at home

#20
First stop would be a mass spectrometry service to analyze it with an LCMS. If you can’t find one cheap enough, check your local universities for a professor or postdoc that might be willing to help - the issue is usually finding out who has the mass spec and getting some time on it.

If none of that is a possibility, try to find a certified sommelier, preferably a class where you can have a teacher and students taste test it. Their training involves learning to distinguish a bunch of aromatic compounds using an essential oil kit so they might be able to isolate some of the flavors.

If you really want to do it using just the stuff in your kitchen, you could order an aroma training kit and try it yourself. Otherwise, I’m afraid reverse engineering it yourself is really hard. There are over 2,600 flavoring food additives recognized by the EU, alone. The benefit of doing it with a trained sommelier is that they can help figure out substitutions even if they can’t identify the exact flavor.

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