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Ask HN: Why Is Nobody Hiring Juniors?

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Re: Ask HN: Why Is Nobody Hiring Juniors?

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Post by marto1 »

moomoo11 wrote: post #9
cratermoon wrote: post #2

Companies don't want to train or mentor. They want to hire someone "to hit the ground running from day 1" for a specific technology stack or domain. The idea that they could hire a good junior programmer and train them up on whatever their specific needs are seems to have disappeared in the software development industry.

Nah interest rates and tax changes just make that not feasible anymore. Honestly imo as someone who had a high TC we really need to lower the expectations that a lot of people have about salary. I think we should scale back to 100k for juniors. Senior and above should be a meaningful title and pay double a junior salary. Just talking base. Tired of seeing 5-6 engineer levels where most people fuck around while 10% of…

> Tired of seeing 5-6 engineer levels where most people fuck around while 10% of the org carries everyone else.

As long as nepotism(both direct and indirect) exists this will always be the case.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Nobody Hiring Juniors?

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Post by leandot »

There is much advice on the web that you should change jobs regularly to get salary raises fast. It is potentially a good advice if you are very good at what you do and your employer is not investing enough to reward you properly. But I’ve seen many cases where a mediocre developer finds a slightly better paying job and your 1+ year investment in training and teaching goes down the drain. Also with LLMs you usually achieve the same as 3-4 juniors.

I am very much pro-training and teaching juniors but there is (was at least) a sense of entitlement and lack of commitment that is detrimental to those efforts.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Nobody Hiring Juniors?

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Post by tuckerpo »

hnhn34 wrote: post #10
tuckerpo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd be flabbergasted to learn how many candidates just blatantly lie on their resume. I don't mean pretending to know Scala, I'm talking _years_ of vapor-experience at fake companies. And these people get hired all the time.

How do they get away with it? Most companies I’ve applied to run background checks and ask for references. The last one I was at refused to send an offer letter until my previous employer answered their calls.

You pay your friends or a third party to LARP as a company/manager/whoever. An LLC is cheap to open and sliding your buddy a $20 for a 15 minute phone call is a no-brainer. I am not condoning this nor am I speaking from personal experience, but this is absolutely a real thing that happens a lot more than you might like to believe.
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