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Ask HN: What makes Windows 11 perform much worse than Windows XP?

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Re: Ask HN: What makes Windows 11 perform much worse than Windows XP?

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One thing to do is to turn off unnecessary services and startup programs. Once you do this, the system becomes amazingly fast. I had to recently setup up a WFH machine with just Chrome and nothing else. I ended up using Win10 (Win11 didn't support the mobo) and went through and uninstalled everything that was activated by default. I also set up autologin and fastboot. The system ends up booting from a cold start in a few seconds and can get to the desktop before the monitor is fully on and displaying something.

Be careful with disabling services. On a different machine, I disabled the Windows Store because I thought I would never use it and then later spent hours debugging why an app I downloaded from the web failed to install with a mysterious error. One thing to try is to turn off/disable/uninstall a service or program each day and log what you're doing in case you need to reverse something that breaks the next day.

Re: Ask HN: What makes Windows 11 perform much worse than Windows XP?

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Do have any specific benchmark that shows declining performance? One thing that comes to mind Windows XP was the last version without desktop composition. I don’t have hard numbers, but I would guess it adds more latency and requires more GPU memory than the Windows XP rendering system. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_Window_Manager

Just compare the minimum required hardware.

It isn't even possible to run Windows 11 on hardware that XP ran really well on.

Re: Ask HN: What makes Windows 11 perform much worse than Windows XP?

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There are a few reasons: 1. People expect more functionality, and that requires more processing power 2. Fancier eye candy 3. Spyware, or telemetry, or whatever else you want to call it 4. More background services are running by default

Added security layers as well. Source: Worked on developer APIs for Windows Universal Apps. Those sandboxes don't come for free.

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Re: Ask HN: What makes Windows 11 perform much worse than Windows XP?

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One thing to do is to turn off unnecessary services and startup programs. Once you do this, the system becomes amazingly fast. I had to recently setup up a WFH machine with just Chrome and nothing else. I ended up using Win10 (Win11 didn't support the mobo) and went through and uninstalled everything that was activated by default. I also set up autologin and fastboot. The system ends up booting from a cold start in a…

> The system ends up booting from a cold start in a few seconds and can get to the desktop before the monitor is fully on and displaying something.

Are you exaggerating or is it really that fast? If so, that is amazing. I'd love to read a blog post or something to see what your hardware is and how you got it that fast.

Re: Ask HN: What makes Windows 11 perform much worse than Windows XP?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Added security layers as well. Source: Worked on developer APIs for Windows Universal Apps. Those sandboxes don't come for free.

+1, sandboxes are really heavy performance-wise. The telemetry gets bad rep, but its impact is almost non-existent. At least for the actual telemetry. There's some functionality crap, like Bing-search in Start menu, which slows user down, because it makes a web request. But that's an actual feature. Telemetry is just sent in the background, whenever CPU is not busy.

Bing is just telemetry disguised as a feature.

Re: Ask HN: What makes Windows 11 perform much worse than Windows XP?

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There are actually a lot of factors here, although if I had to sum it up in one, it would be "the hardware can support it." But more seriously: 1. There are a lot of security mitigations in modern Windows that add sometimes substantial runtime overhead, but offer significant protection. Writing an exploit for modern Windows is hard compared to XP SP1 and below. 2. The graphics are a lot more sophisticated. Animation…

Linux isn't afraid to break backward compatible. I'm pretty sure Win32 is going to outlive me.

Re: Ask HN: What makes Windows 11 perform much worse than Windows XP?

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One thing to do is to turn off unnecessary services and startup programs. Once you do this, the system becomes amazingly fast. I had to recently setup up a WFH machine with just Chrome and nothing else. I ended up using Win10 (Win11 didn't support the mobo) and went through and uninstalled everything that was activated by default. I also set up autologin and fastboot. The system ends up booting from a cold start in a…

> The system ends up booting from a cold start in a few seconds and can get to the desktop before the monitor is fully on and displaying something. Are you exaggerating or is it really that fast? If so, that is amazing. I'd love to read a blog post or something to see what your hardware is and how you got it that fast.

One word: nvme

Re: Ask HN: What makes Windows 11 perform much worse than Windows XP?

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Answers will be about the same as if you had asked "What makes Windows XP perform so much worse than Windows 3.11?"

I don't remember the difference being that large between them.

Try and run XP on a machine that shipped with 3.1.
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