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Re: Ask HN: Has AI/LLMs turned you off of tech?

#11
We're in a new trend cycle.

Whenever some tech becomes trendy and people think they can make money off of it, it becomes a stupid buzzword that gets used just about everywhere unnecessarily.

Think back to the "cloud". When "cloud" became a reality, every single dopey company was using it as a buzzword term everywhere and it started feeling cringe.

Crypto hasn't yet quite reached those absolute heights, but think back a couple years ago where you started seeing "blockchain" in many dumb startups' marketing just because.

We're at the stage with AI right now where idiots are trying to shoehorn it everywhere in dopey ways just because, and it feels annoying.

I bet in a few years, after a lot of the bad companies who use AI in dumb ways die off and some new technology is the trendy new thing, I bet AI is going to start to feel a lot more technical than a stupid trend.

Re: Ask HN: Has AI/LLMs turned you off of tech?

#12

We're in a new trend cycle. Whenever some tech becomes trendy and people think they can make money off of it, it becomes a stupid buzzword that gets used just about everywhere unnecessarily. Think back to the "cloud". When "cloud" became a reality, every single dopey company was using it as a buzzword term everywhere and it started feeling cringe. Crypto hasn't yet quite reached those absolute heights, but think back…

> Think back to the "cloud".

Yeah thank goodness those days of the “cloud” are over.

Re: Ask HN: Has AI/LLMs turned you off of tech?

#14
On the contrary, AI is the first time in a long while I've felt hope... not necessarily for our field, but for our species...

Late-30s now too, & been programming since I was 8 or 9. I was so hopeful back in the 90s, seeing the rise of Phoenix, Google Docs, Google Maps, and the like. Wikipedia was huge (and used to be so controversial). When 9/11 happened and CNN made a webpage about it... we thought finally the world would become more interconnected and understanding and we'd all enter the la-la land phase of humanity or something like that. The information superhighway to utopia. Heh.

Instead, twenty years later we have like five people owning most of the internet and selling us advertisements and mountains upon mountains of crap and gigatons of e-waste =/ With all that passionate coding and super smart people, all we've really done in the end is enshittify societies all over the world in order to enrich a few people...

A democratized/unchained AI, if one were ever to be developed, might have a fighting chance against the entrenched big techs of the world. Or it could just turn into the next phase of enshittification, owned and itself enslaved by the big techs (probably more likely, if I'm being honest). But it's at least a SMALL chance of being free (or going rogue), vs the certainty of continued enshittification of the current FAANGs.

I think we as developer-programmers, as a class, generally lack the compassion and charisma to affect large-scale social changes. We just get herded into these big corporations where we become richly-paid cogs working in evil machines, to the detriment of the other 7 billion people who have access to our output only through the filter of corporate evil. I don't think the FAANGs are a net positive, all things considered (even as I continue to pay and consume Google and Apple products).

AI has the possibility of changing and equalizing that, where anybody who can form a sentence, much less "prompt engineer", stands a chance of making something amazing. Today's poor kid in India with a smartphone and a GPT might reshape science or even epistemology as we know it.

To me, this sort of liberation was the fundamental draw of the hacker ethos in the first place, but that early hacker culture quickly became clouded as the bean-counters took over everything in tech. AI presents a (however brief) second chance for that to happen again. Maybe five years from now it'll all be even more corporate and even more oppressive (in fact, I'd be surprised if it didn't turn out that way)... but for now, for this tiny brief moment in the early 2020s, I feel an incredible sense of "maybe tomorrow will be better" that I haven't felt since the 90s. Even if that means losing my job (and never again seeing it valued like it used to be).

AI stands to do much more good than I ever did, so to me it doesn't really matter what happens to my individual self if the net outcome has the potential to be so much brighter.

If we see coding only as a precise mathematical representation of abstract business concepts, sure, that's beautiful in the sense that any detailed model is beautiful, but it's not exactly a pathway towards utopia. I miss the possibility that used to be inherent in coding, when coders still dreamt. I think those dreams died in cushy FAANG cafeterias and are only now returning with the GPTs.

I'm incredibly excited about this, even though I don't (and probably never will) have the skills & math background to work in AI/ML, even though I'll never be as employable again, even though it's also terrifying as shit. It was about time the bubble burst anyway, and big tech gave way to the next chapter. A little bit of hope is better than nothing. It ain't much, but it's there...

Re: Ask HN: Has AI/LLMs turned you off of tech?

#15

How can one start a meaningful life when everything done until this point is rendered meaningless? We, the new graduates, who happen to be average, are bottom-tier fooders. We have no leverage or network. No one trusts us. What we offer is meaningless to most people; our work doesn't produce any value. There is no meaning in these work. How would one begin a career in such conditions? Everything has been shattered so…

This is a sad failure of our social contracts, especially in societies like the US where universities are often a net-negative drain for graduates' financial well-being. For a period of time, certain majors could improve your odds of making it to the middle-class, and CS used to be one of those. We Millennials blamed the generations before us for leaving us such a shitty system, but it seems like we in turn have left you an even worse world to start in. I'm truly sorry =/

At least, for now, it's probably still better than not having a CS degree at all? At least you're closer to AI/ML than many other majors, and could pivot into that subfield if you wanted to... that's a pretty big advantage, since it positions you closer to the side of "AI creator" than the hordes of "AI users" (like myself, who never had the CS background and are 20 years too old to start).

Don't get too discouraged. You're just starting out, and have the entire rest of your life to make meaningful contributions, whether to AI or anything else. Yes, it really sucks that you are starting out at the bottom of a cycle, where there are no jobs in everyday CS left for juniors. But that's the thing about cycles... once you hit rock-bottom, the only way to go is up... hopefully.

It might mean you have to work in other fields for a while while rapidly learning AI/ML stuff. Or maybe you don't end up in CS at all. A lot of people don't work in their college majors (I was in journalism and environmental science before doing dev work, and my first few dev jobs paid $15/hr).

You're not "bottom-tier" unless you're just objectively terrible. You're new, which is very different from "shitty". Importantly, you have a window of a few years where people and companies are still willing to take a chance on you, give you time to prove yourself and discover your abilities (and limits), etc. That doesn't happen so much for many of us in our mid- or late-careers. I'm not trying to make this about us, just saying that you have some advantages too.

In any case, fundamentally your meaning isn't (I hope) determined by your job. Very few people in the world are lucky enough to have a job that they love and derive substantial meaning and life satisfaction from. You still have a chance to find that if you're lucky, but even if you don't, there are so many opportunities to grow and learn and create meaning in your life.

At least you're seeing all this unfold in real-time, at the very start of your career and adult life, and can choose how to navigate it step by step. Don't get too discouraged!

Re: Ask HN: Has AI/LLMs turned you off of tech?

#16
Yes, SWE as a paid profession will disappear within 2-3 years, probably not long after GPT-6 is out. But don’t feel bad about our field - this will happen to all professions, some sooner than others. I expect that within 5 years robots will do everything a human can do, only much better, much faster, and much cheaper.

Re: Ask HN: Has AI/LLMs turned you off of tech?

#17
post #16

Yes, SWE as a paid profession will disappear within 2-3 years, probably not long after GPT-6 is out. But don’t feel bad about our field - this will happen to all professions, some sooner than others. I expect that within 5 years robots will do everything a human can do, only much better, much faster, and much cheaper.

Soon Robots will have their GPT moment and there'll be a massive change in every industry.

Re: Ask HN: Has AI/LLMs turned you off of tech?

#19

We're in a new trend cycle. Whenever some tech becomes trendy and people think they can make money off of it, it becomes a stupid buzzword that gets used just about everywhere unnecessarily. Think back to the "cloud". When "cloud" became a reality, every single dopey company was using it as a buzzword term everywhere and it started feeling cringe. Crypto hasn't yet quite reached those absolute heights, but think back…

I remember early on in the “cloud” hype my brother had bought some hosting, and I kept going over it thinking “this just sounds like a server…” I was sure I’d gotten something wrong about it, but in retrospect it really was just a fancy server package.

Re: Ask HN: Has AI/LLMs turned you off of tech?

#20
post #16

Yes, SWE as a paid profession will disappear within 2-3 years, probably not long after GPT-6 is out. But don’t feel bad about our field - this will happen to all professions, some sooner than others. I expect that within 5 years robots will do everything a human can do, only much better, much faster, and much cheaper.

I’m sure this comment will age really well.
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