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Ask HN: Will Meta-frameworks kill normal frameworks?

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Re: Ask HN: Will Meta-frameworks kill normal frameworks?

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Im no good at predictions but an obvious question for me is how many applications based on these networks are in the wild and successful? Basically, how well have these frameworks scaled? Ruby on Rails is a highly successful framework but successful applications based on it would usually be rewritten after reaching a certain size because of scaling/performance/cost issues.

Isn't Shopify using ruby on rails?

Re: Ask HN: Will Meta-frameworks kill normal frameworks?

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I've been a software engineer for a very long time (pre-JavaScript existing). I highly doubt it. I am working on a greenfield project and we are on Angular 17 for the front-end and C# for the REST APIs, backed by a relational SQL database. It is smooth sailing. I am not familiar with those frameworks outside of what Next.js is doing with React (combining server and client code). I don't like it, at all. I've spent de…

I've used C# for decades at this point, but only every had a day job that used it once. I don't know why so many startups drive right past the dotnet ecosystem for some cthulian JavaScript thing.

I sure wish I could return to dotnet professionally!

Re: Ask HN: Will Meta-frameworks kill normal frameworks?

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post #12
post #4

I've been a software engineer for a very long time (pre-JavaScript existing). I highly doubt it. I am working on a greenfield project and we are on Angular 17 for the front-end and C# for the REST APIs, backed by a relational SQL database. It is smooth sailing. I am not familiar with those frameworks outside of what Next.js is doing with React (combining server and client code). I don't like it, at all. I've spent de…

I've used C# for decades at this point, but only every had a day job that used it once. I don't know why so many startups drive right past the dotnet ecosystem for some cthulian JavaScript thing. I sure wish I could return to dotnet professionally!

Well, most people are now introduced to programming through tutorials on YouTube and bootcamps, and those mostly teach the "MERN" way.

Re: Ask HN: Will Meta-frameworks kill normal frameworks?

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The larger the framework, and the more abstractions it attempts to cover, the more likely you will hit a wall where the framework makes it difficult or even impossible to solve the task at hand. The further I have gone into my career, the more I prefer a minimal framework + internal libraries which solve the needs of the company/team/project etc.

Re: Ask HN: Will Meta-frameworks kill normal frameworks?

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post #9

I don't think so. I just think right now Vercel is very good at marketing and lots of new programmers and hopping on the NextJS train. There are tons of materials out there for building apps quickly and it's very appealing for newer developers, particularly the bits where getting a site deployed is as easy as running a couple commands w/ the Vercel CLI. For larger applications, I don't see meta-frameworks eating up a…

> database-as-a-service like Firebase/Supabase. I think it's inevitable that people will carve bits and pieces off of their meta-frameworks into different types of applications as they scale

(Supabase maintainer) Supabase is just postgres, so it’s actually designed like this. You can start using all the “auto generated” tooling, then evolve into a pure Postgres + middleware solution if you need/want to

> they're very expensive to run in certain situations.

In terms of pricing, it’s ~equivalent to RDS, at least the database component

Re: Ask HN: Will Meta-frameworks kill normal frameworks?

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Why are these considered meta frameworks instead of just frameworks? These are just webservers, we had them for years and Rails is a framework, not a meta framework. By logic, a meta framework should be used to write frameworks and not applicative code

Re: Ask HN: Will Meta-frameworks kill normal frameworks?

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post #7

Im no good at predictions but an obvious question for me is how many applications based on these networks are in the wild and successful? Basically, how well have these frameworks scaled? Ruby on Rails is a highly successful framework but successful applications based on it would usually be rewritten after reaching a certain size because of scaling/performance/cost issues.

Isn't Shopify using ruby on rails?

It is. The apps are not rewritten, usually just optimized. Usually they are too large when that scale is reached (Shopify, github)
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