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Ask HN: What web stack would you use for startup, and why?

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Re: Ask HN: What web stack would you use for startup, and why?

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Post by codeptualize »

james-revisoai wrote: post #9
codeptualize wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could self host as it's all open source, but that would be a lot more work.. Reliability, it depends on your app and requirements. Been using them for about a year and it has been really solid, the few times I did have some issues the support was really quick and helpful. But I do see your point, it might not work for everyone.

Self-hosting Supabase is pretty hard when you consider mail set up, and all the config like setting your own domain/secrets/config without the full dashboard Supabase managed service provides, doesn't it? Aka you can't just get-up-and-go fill in a nice UI/form on an EC2 instance AMI template for Supabase...

I would assume so. Never tried it, and I hope I never have to, I use Supabase to have less work not more haha.

I still find it important that the option exists if ever needed, and maybe even more important is the ability to move away from Supabase, which some people have done successfully (see for example https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36004925)

Other services like Firebase make that really complicated. I quite like that portability is one of their core principles.

There are some guides and templates on self hosting https://supabase.com/docs/guides/self-hosting but it's obviously a big complicated project with lots of features. It probably also requires a bunch of work to monitor, maintain and update it once you get it running.

Re: Ask HN: What web stack would you use for startup, and why?

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Post by saluki »

Use what you know, what you are efficient with, what you like to use.

I would use Laravel

1) Auth

You can create your Laravel app choosing (Vue + Inertia) or (Livewire) and have auth, 2FA and a profile dashboard in a few minutes, with Laravel Socialite package you can quickly add single sign on with Google Auth, GitHub, Octa, dozens of options. Oauth with Laravel Passport.

2) Simple user dashboard with live updates. I prefer Livewire or you can use View + Inertia these would have been installed in the previous step. You can also use Laravel Nova, or Filament to speed things along building a dashboard.

3) Blog I would run this standalone from the app and use Statamic, Next js or just html + tailwind css depending on the complexity

Laravel Ecosystem

Herd - macOS app that makes setting up your local dev environment instant.

Jetstream - Start a new project with auth and team management.

Telescope - debugging and insight UI

Scout - Lightening fast full text search

Echo - WebSockets

Cashier - Stripe and Paddle Subscriptions

Envoyer - Zero Down Time Deployments

Forge - Server creation and management (EC2)

Vapor - Serverless Creation and management

Horizon - Redis Queue Monitoring

Pennant - feature flags

Sail - Local Docker

Socialite - Social Auth Google, Facebook, GitHub (tons of drivers)

Sanctum - API and mobile auth

Pint - Code style fixer

Dusk - Automated browser testing

Inertia - SPA with server side routing

Livewire - Dynamic server side apps. (Similar to Rails/Hotwire)

And those are just some of the first party packages and tools.

There are well maintained Laravel packages for almost everything else you need.

And working with Laravel is the best developer experience.

Re: Ask HN: What web stack would you use for startup, and why?

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Post by Zelphyr »

saluki wrote: post #14

Use what you know, what you are efficient with, what you like to use. I would use Laravel 1) Auth You can create your Laravel app choosing (Vue + Inertia) or (Livewire) and have auth, 2FA and a profile dashboard in a few minutes, with Laravel Socialite package you can quickly add single sign on with Google Auth, GitHub, Octa, dozens of options. Oauth with Laravel Passport. 2) Simple user dashboard with live updates.…

"Use what you know" is, in my opinion, the best answer. If you're starting a startup, why would you hinder yourself with the struggle of learning new a new stack (and, worse, a new language!) with all the other things you have to do to get traction and product market fit?

Re: Ask HN: What web stack would you use for startup, and why?

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Post by spcebar »

Whatever you're comfortable writing and think you can build a fast MVP in. You can always, and will likely, need to come back and rebuild portions of the software if your startup takes off, so don't worry too much about making all the "right" choices out the gate. That's my philosophy, anyway.

Personally I'd choose the LAMP stack because it's what I'm most familiar with for web development and I know I can rapidly build a performant functional product with it, but for you that might be something else.

Re: Ask HN: What web stack would you use for startup, and why?

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Post by happytiger »

pier25 wrote: post #17

I haven't used it yet, but for my next full stack project I want to try Laravel with Livewire. I love Svelte for client side stuff but in truth 80-90% of UIs can be solved with HTML over the wire.

I have finally a disconnect between investor expectations and the reality of shipping prototypes with php that I wonder if anyone else has seen?

One recent raise that I was talking a new entrepreneur through had the investor take a hard pass as soon as they found out he was building with Laravel.

This isn’t the first time but in the past it was suspicion and wasn’t so explicit. They literally passed on giving a term sheet specifically because they were built in laravel… so I finally got someone “on the record.”

I have built startups with PHP and had great success, though I use a lot of platforms now and not as much php anymore, but I wonder if there is any issue with the raise.

I know the technicals (and how dumb it was, the first version gets trashed always anyways) but I wonder if others have seen this?

Re: Ask HN: What web stack would you use for startup, and why?

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Post by aregsar »

Depends on which programming language you’re most familiar with. For python I would go with Django and htmx, Ruby, rails plus Hotwire, Php, Laravel with livewire or inertia, Elixir, Phoenix with liveview, C sharp, asp.net razor pages and htmx, Java, spring boot and htmx, JavaScript, express or sailsjs and htmx
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