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Ask HN: Why are some companies still trying to force return to office?

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Re: Ask HN: Why are some companies still trying to force return to office?

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Don't underestimate the paranoia of useless middle management who cannot justify their existence by Teams meetings alone and cannot easily brown-nose from home.

If that's the case, why aren't companies firing them, saving on their salaries AND saving on leases?

Re: Ask HN: Why are some companies still trying to force return to office?

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Not only can you do fine, but you can save a ton of money on office operations. The economics will win out in the end, I don't doubt it. A lot of executives and managers are simply in denial.

"The economics will win out in the end". This is what frustrates me. It seems so obvious. Sunk-cost fallacy is a terrible reason to mess with a workers employment.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some companies still trying to force return to office?

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Lots of execs and managers believe that groups of people are more innovative and productive when they discuss things in-person.

You may think they are wrong. You may not like that they believe this. But they really do believe that in-person is better for getting stuff done, and that's why they want it.

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post #13

Lots of execs and managers believe that groups of people are more innovative and productive when they discuss things in-person. You may think they are wrong. You may not like that they believe this. But they really do believe that in-person is better for getting stuff done, and that's why they want it.

I'm concerned that execs and managers believe discussing thing in-person is more productive when there's lots of evidence that suggests wfh or hybrid is comparable or better.

Two years ago there's wasn't enough data to know what would work long term. There is now.

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Lots of execs and managers believe that groups of people are more innovative and productive when they discuss things in-person. You may think they are wrong. You may not like that they believe this. But they really do believe that in-person is better for getting stuff done, and that's why they want it.

Why does it happen in big orgs where most meetings are virtual meetings between different offices?

Re: Ask HN: Why are some companies still trying to force return to office?

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Because the banks and local govt bet a lot on commercial leases. Banks says they are solvent because they have "hard" assets to borrow against. Govts promises the paradise with future taxes. Got to the office? Pay toll Got a coffee? Pay taxes Consume more petrol/gas for your car? Pay taxes. More electricity? pay taxes. You can't expect they let you out so easy right?

Yeah, but why would the startup I work for care about that?

Because they have no idea of what they are doing. At best they are copying others but most likely they are afraid you will not be working without someone looking over your shoulder. A lot of times they do it as staging theater for investors (look at my team working in a cool hub) others to impressive customers (having an address in a locale is part of branding). No one does it for better ideas. Cheaper to fly everyone for a retreat if that was the case.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but why would the startup I work for care about that?

Because they have no idea of what they are doing. At best they are copying others but most likely they are afraid you will not be working without someone looking over your shoulder. A lot of times they do it as staging theater for investors (look at my team working in a cool hub) others to impressive customers (having an address in a locale is part of branding). No one does it for better ideas. Cheaper to fly everyon…

"We don't know what we're doing so we are copying you" - Explains most weird startup behaviors.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some companies still trying to force return to office?

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post #13

Lots of execs and managers believe that groups of people are more innovative and productive when they discuss things in-person. You may think they are wrong. You may not like that they believe this. But they really do believe that in-person is better for getting stuff done, and that's why they want it.

I think this is the biggest factor, but also important to note that commercial leases tend to be long and very difficult / expensive to break.

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Lots of execs and managers believe that groups of people are more innovative and productive when they discuss things in-person. You may think they are wrong. You may not like that they believe this. But they really do believe that in-person is better for getting stuff done, and that's why they want it.

I think this is the biggest factor, but also important to note that commercial leases tend to be long and very difficult / expensive to break.

…they’ve had years at this point to plan for that

Re: Ask HN: Why are some companies still trying to force return to office?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but why would the startup I work for care about that?

Becase the fund that invest on your startup does. because the board members have leases nearby. because someone that is invested want you to go there, spend money or create expenses (consume food from cafeteria,etc.) If the student does not go in person to a university how valuable is the commercial lease at the university?

Its amazing how banks are offering reduced interest rates and more money if you are willing to rent out a building at a loss. If it's happening here, it's happening everywhere.
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