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Ask HN: Is there a way to get back to the web we lost?

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Re: Ask HN: Is there a way to get back to the web we lost?

#11
Google today owns most of mobile with Android, most of email with Gmail, most of web browsing with Chrome, pretty much all of search with Google Search, Google News, Google Images, etc., most of maps with Google Maps, and most of office apps with Docs/Sheets/etc., and it also has most of schools with Chromebooks so they've got the next generation locked into all of the above.

The only way the Web gets better is by re-distributing all of that to smaller players, undoing the acquisitions that made all of that possible. The only way that happens is if you continue to vote for politicians with the fortitude to use anti-trust laws to target Google.

Want a better web, vote for it.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a way to get back to the web we lost?

#12
My introduction to the web was, I'd say, about a year earlier - and I don't miss it at all.

Sure, it was nascent and full of promise. But that's mostly what it was - promise. Yes, there were all these offbeat websites you could find in the Yahoo directory, but that was not much different to aimlessly scrolling (or, fine, clicking on HN stories).

When I was studying CS one didn't have a hope in hell of building anything of substance independently, because Every.Single.Little.Thing had to be built from scratch - in C or C++ at best. And you'd better have enjoyed those late nights at the lab, it's not like you had anywhere to turn to at 1am when your code is buggy...

The ability to just build is, I feel, far more democratized today - and there's still a long way to go. So to me, the web is still very new, and still full of promise.

The Internet was also incredibly elitist back then. In 1998 only 17% of people in the developed world had access to it. Globally, that number was 3%...You could meet anyone in the world! So long as they were rich. Today these corresponding numbers are 90% and 63% - I think it's better that way. Certainly, that has been the promise, hasn't it?

And walled gardens? AOL wanted to own the Internet point blank... I think if anything, our generation was dumb the way all people are dumb in the face of something new. I think our kids would look back at the time we wasted on FB and Twitter and think - "You morons. You spent hours scrolling reading random people's posts? Were you THAT bored?"

Besides, we ARE, right now, part of something very new and incredibly big. Anyone can play with transformer models, with about the same relative ease and accessibility as you could with the Internet 25 years ago. (Which is to say - as a user, easy enough. As a builder, requiring a healthy dose of determination.)

I think of technology as, like, a tidal force, that just sweeps everyone. It does good and bad. It creates and destroys. Pining for any moment in time is like pinpointing a moment in a stochastic process...it was only ever just a moment in flux.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a way to get back to the web we lost?

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My introduction to the web was, I'd say, about a year earlier - and I don't miss it at all. Sure, it was nascent and full of promise. But that's mostly what it was - promise. Yes, there were all these offbeat websites you could find in the Yahoo directory, but that was not much different to aimlessly scrolling (or, fine, clicking on HN stories). When I was studying CS one didn't have a hope in hell of building anythi…

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Re: Ask HN: Is there a way to get back to the web we lost?

#16
I think this pendulum will keep swinging. We won’t go back to that exactly, but things will always consolidate, explode or die, reconstitute into new things, consolidate, repeat.

There was a time when AOL felt like it would be around forever. And Yahoo. And ICQ. And Earthlink.

And today it feels like Google Search, Facebook, Instagram, Tiktok will be around forever.

Something new is coming and it is hard to imagine, but we wont be going back.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a way to get back to the web we lost?

#17
100% know the experience you're talking about. As for getting it back..

I was at a fair/market the other day and someone said "check my latest stuff on Instagram. My website is outdated. I normally put new stuff up on Instagram because the website is so hard to update".

With that being true, and the audiences that are on these walled-gardens, I don't think we're ever getting the old web back.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a way to get back to the web we lost?

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I thought so too coming from the same generation. But there was a moment, few years back, where I stopped worrying about it. My kids made me watch Sex Education on Netflix. My initial reaction was just irritation. There is so much content that uses sex, shock and awe to capture attention. And once achieved, there is no further message delivered. My initial reaction was here we go again with this crap. It also took me…

Even if it had a more "family guy" type of humor (like it or hate it) big mouth is good in that sense too It talks about puberty, sexuality (straight, gay and everything in between and outside) depression, anxiety, obsessions and a lot of other stuff. All while being funny and entertaining.

I don't get the comparison to TV shows though. TV shows are at an all time high with streaming platforms allowing creators to break free from cable tv norms.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a way to get back to the web we lost?

#20
The counter culture and the "slow" internet still exists, but you won't find it on the front page of a Google search, or by visiting the same megacorps property over and over again (with the possible exception of YouTube, which has some truely wonderful channels by passionate creators).

IRC still exists, and it's often frequented by the same sort of interesting people that it was back in the day.

Try MoonJump[1] and hit the moon button a few times - I've always been pleasantly surprised.

If you'd like that nostalgia hit, I'd highly recommended watching Halt and Catch Fire[2] if you haven't already - fictional series, but really captures the excitement of the industry from IBM PC Clones, BBS/Dial-Up, 90s Internet and the start-up culture.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_Fire_(TV_series...

[2] https://moonjump.app

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