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Re: Ask HN: Is Kick.com somehow using Twitch to not have to pay bandwidth costs?

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Other way around. It's branded as twitch, but delivered over aws. Twitch doesn't own any infrastructure.

So what's the difference between AS46489 and AS16509?

One is amazon for unspecified purposes and the other is amazon providing service long term to twitch.

Re: Ask HN: Is Kick.com somehow using Twitch to not have to pay bandwidth costs?

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Right so the ISP should saw AWS like it does for other streamers on Kick, except for XQC (checked like 2-3 other streams). How come it says Twitch on XQC's stream and AWS for the other streams?

Twitch doesn't own any streaming infrastructure, it's all cloud providers. If it's being labelled as twitch it's because twitch dominated that subnet of their cloud provider for a while. You should consider that "looking the ip up" is really just asking some random company what they think the ip is.

Good answer and I'm using Maxmind for this. I wasn't aware that they would record ISP changes just because one of their clients was using their IPs a lot and I thought this would only happen if you register the IP on your own ISP (similar to how you purchase dedicated IPs and register them on your own company).

Re: Ask HN: Is Kick.com somehow using Twitch to not have to pay bandwidth costs?

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Renting out bandwidth to the "competition" is not uncommon. It's not really competition when you're making money. >this shouldn't even be possible since CORS should stop it, right...? CORS is meaningless outside the controlled environment of a web browser. Besides, CORS is opt-in. Website operators can chose whether or not to share (it's in the name).

Didn't know this was a thing and can you give some examples of this happening elsewhere?

I also don't think that's the case here because they are both on AWS so it's not their own servers.

Re: Ask HN: Is Kick.com somehow using Twitch to not have to pay bandwidth costs?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other way around. It's branded as twitch, but delivered over aws. Twitch doesn't own any infrastructure.

So what's the difference between AS46489 and AS16509?

99.181.66.216 belongs to AS46489 [0], mainly used to serve Twitch. AS16509 is your standard AWS cloud AS hosting data center IPs.

[0] https://ipinfo.io/AS46489

[1] https://ipinfo.io/AS16509

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