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#11

I’m older, but switched careers so not very experienced. Mid level. I’m getting tons of reachouts.

As someone in a similarly weird position (young, but doing this since I was very young and fortunate to have been place in some senior-if-you-squint positions), I’m curious what “mid level” means to you. What kind of things on a resume do you think make you mid level vs. junior (and what’s missing to be senior)?

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I’m older, but switched careers so not very experienced. Mid level. I’m getting tons of reachouts.

As someone in a similarly weird position (young, but doing this since I was very young and fortunate to have been place in some senior-if-you-squint positions), I’m curious what “mid level” means to you. What kind of things on a resume do you think make you mid level vs. junior (and what’s missing to be senior)?

I’m self taught. I enjoyed messing around in computers and learned programming.

My first job was as a senior developer. I knew the stack, other devs didn’t, so I had to teach them. I knew how to negotiate. So I started as senior at a big corporation.

I bumped around startups for a while. I’d regularly go from “developer” to “senior”. Then the company would bust. Then repeat.

I’m currently “non-senior” at a unicorn, but have more responsibility than I did anywhere else (unless you include 5 dev shops).

Eventually I’ll hit “senior, for real” where I won’t be willing to go back down.

What I really need is some mentoring (which I’m getting). Making the jump to “senior for real” means getting planning and management skills I don’t have, and won’t get from YouTube.

I’ve benefited from really good mentoring in the past, and plan to do so again soon.

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I’m hiring retirees at half pay, they double dip and get some benefit enhancing goodies. We are having trouble hiring IT type roles. It’s easy to get $18/hr people or $70/hr people. The middle is brutal.

i can do $50/hr, but max 20hrs/week, fully remote :-)

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I’m not an old older worker (37), but I’m a generalist (I’ve done design work in the past, heaps of frontend/UI work on the web and mobile, plenty of backend work, and now a fair amount of work around embedded systems and hardware). I’ve been getting a lot of attention from recruiters very suddenly, but I’m noticing it’s much different work from the last five years or so. I’d say the majority of it is in technologies…

> Virtually all roles I hear about or see are senior too... This is the general trend of things. Experienced workers displace younger workers because they are more productive and cost the company less in training. Overall the number of jobs available causes this displacement, the experienced workers would prefer to be paid for their experience but haven't found jobs and so compromise. You always have companies hangin…

I suppose in my mind the hype is warranted with AI, but maybe I’m not using the word properly.

I’m concerned about where it’ll take us. On one hand, people talk about how calculators didn’t make it so everyone was unemployed and we’ve had automation for 100 years and so on… But like you mentioned, these technologies weren’t runaway trains. They made slow but steady progress. The latest AI leaps have made fast and dramatic progress, with no obvious reason to see it stopping. The changes will impact certain knowledge workers first, but I have a strong sense that it will reach out further into blue collar work perhaps sooner than we’d first guess.

That only touches on fears about employment and wealth disparity. It doesn’t begin to touch on micro and macro threats on a sociopolitical level. These are strange times.

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> Virtually all roles I hear about or see are senior too... This is the general trend of things. Experienced workers displace younger workers because they are more productive and cost the company less in training. Overall the number of jobs available causes this displacement, the experienced workers would prefer to be paid for their experience but haven't found jobs and so compromise. You always have companies hangin…

I suppose in my mind the hype is warranted with AI, but maybe I’m not using the word properly. I’m concerned about where it’ll take us. On one hand, people talk about how calculators didn’t make it so everyone was unemployed and we’ve had automation for 100 years and so on… But like you mentioned, these technologies weren’t runaway trains. They made slow but steady progress. The latest AI leaps have made fast and dra…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoVJKj8lcNQ&ab_channel=Cente...

This is the video I was talking about. My main background is in Systems Engineering, and my main concerns are the fact that we can't react, coupled with the socioeconomic part of it. I've got a decent background in economics as well though I wouldn't call myself an economist. I've yet to meet a real economist, most just use it as a prop to lie and support credibility for something that clearly isn't true when you dig into the details.

You really don't need a super advanced AI to do irreparable damage. All you really need it to do is stall the economic cycle and people end up doing the rest when they can't get food. Its one of those cascade failures that has repeated throughout history fairly regularly. Food Shortages->Unrest->Collapse->New Government, and that's what keeps me up because its so simple, but like any dam you don't see what led to the collapse until its really too late to do anything. Its worse when its pointed out, and no one pays attention.

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#16

I’m hiring retirees at half pay, they double dip and get some benefit enhancing goodies. We are having trouble hiring IT type roles. It’s easy to get $18/hr people or $70/hr people. The middle is brutal.

if you need some frontend(React, Vue) work done, i'm in that mid range. Email in my bio.

Re: Ask HN: Retired engineers, are you being asked to return to work?

#17

I’m hiring retirees at half pay, they double dip and get some benefit enhancing goodies. We are having trouble hiring IT type roles. It’s easy to get $18/hr people or $70/hr people. The middle is brutal.

What does half pay mean? Half hours?
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