Alphabet is enterprise.
Has been since the late 00’s.
Open AI was founded and is staffed by people who see this.
Ask HN: How did Google lose so much ground to OpenAI?
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Re: Ask HN: How did Google lose so much ground to OpenAI?
#12Did they?
I ran the exact same prompts through ChatGPT and Bard, and got eerily similar responses. Bard likes bulleted lists better than ChatGPT, but formatting aside the quality of content felt equivalent.
So it seems plausible that Google is behind on productizing and marketing their AI, but I'm not so sure they are behind on the AI itself.
Re: Ask HN: How did Google lose so much ground to OpenAI?
#13Did they? I ran the exact same prompts through ChatGPT and Bard, and got eerily similar responses. Bard likes bulleted lists better than ChatGPT, but formatting aside the quality of content felt equivalent. So it seems plausible that Google is behind on productizing and marketing their AI, but I'm not so sure they are behind on the AI itself.
Google Bard has been completely destroyed by ChatGPT in every rap battle I read. And rap battles are of course a very accurate benchmarking method.
Re: Ask HN: How did Google lose so much ground to OpenAI?
#14Did they? I ran the exact same prompts through ChatGPT and Bard, and got eerily similar responses. Bard likes bulleted lists better than ChatGPT, but formatting aside the quality of content felt equivalent. So it seems plausible that Google is behind on productizing and marketing their AI, but I'm not so sure they are behind on the AI itself.
Google Bard has been completely destroyed by ChatGPT in every rap battle I read. And rap battles are of course a very accurate benchmarking method.
Probably where the RLHF layer comes in.
Re: Ask HN: How did Google lose so much ground to OpenAI?
#15I think it is overblown. ChatGPT was released about a few months ago and google have already created their own alternative albeit a worse version. I would say that is pretty good for an enterprise organisation to react that fast.
Re: Ask HN: How did Google lose so much ground to OpenAI?
#16“Attention Is All You Need” was a Google paper, wasn’t it?
I think neither they know OpenAI expected that this would create such a hype. I mean, GPT 3 has been here for quite a while, and most people just didn’t care.
Elon Musk has been warning about AI for like a decade now. So far, nobody listened. It took a viral chat interface to make people realize what is going on.
Kinda like the internet in 1994 vs. 1999. Or remote work in 2008 vs. 2020. A thing that has been there all along suddenly gets the mainstream’s attention and becomes “cool”.
Re: Ask HN: How did Google lose so much ground to OpenAI?
#17I reckon they haven't lost any ground yet. OpenAI are struggling to keep their service working with the demand they have. Most of the world isn't paying attention to LLM yet. Google already has that massive audience.
Re: Ask HN: How did Google lose so much ground to OpenAI?
#18It was Google's DeepBrain research paper that basically enabled the majority of progress we've seen in AI over the last few years.
Google has their own LLM and probably access to more data to train future models any other company in the world. What OpenAI seems to have got right was fine tuning their LLM and putting it behind a UI which the average user could use. Then more recently they've created more hype by adding APIs and plugins for their models.
Not saying that what OpenAI's done isn't impressive, but Google really isn't that far behind in terms of tech. 90% of OpenAI's lead is usability stuff.
Re: Ask HN: How did Google lose so much ground to OpenAI?
#19I don't think google lost ground to OpenAI in terms of technology, but losing it in terms of reputation. People no longer view Google as a shining model of engineering success anymore. I work in cloud space, GCP is almost an afterthought now. ChatGPT actually put Azure into better light than AWS.
Re: Ask HN: How did Google lose so much ground to OpenAI?
#20Google's plan was to guard AI and put it lock and key and use it to enable better core products. OpenAI primary focus is enable AI to all. Bard came out to show investors they have something just as good and didn't impress. Google needs new leadership and things can flip back