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Ask HN: Is remote going away? Why?

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Re: Ask HN: Is remote going away? Why?

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Because fuck you, that's why. Pretty much what it boils down to. A lot of executives hated that employees got so much power during the pandemic (even though it's still miniscule compared to the power the executives have themselves) and they couldn't wait to take it back away from them. Now that there's a bit of a downturn (at least in tech jobs), they're taking advantage of it to force things back to the way it used…

> Nevermind it's completely unnecessary and damaging to the planet I mean the list of things like this is a mile long and nobody cares about doing a damn thing until helping the planet happens to align with something they really like.

I don't disagree with that, although I would argue that we had already established a bit of a 'new normal' where few white collar workers had to commute to work, it went fine, and now there's major actions taken to revert everything, whereas a lot of these other things you're mentioning (I imagine, if we're thinking the same types of things) haven't even shifted to a new normal yet.

To throw a hopefully not that controversial of an example out there, how about the obligation of gift giving and wrapping paper (and lets throw company swag in there, while we're at it). Tons of people give dumb or destined to be unused crap just to meet a societal expectation of giving gifts. I got a whole box of crap from my company as a welcome gift. I use maybe one item from it, the rest are just sitting in the house and will be trashed at some point. And I had to throw away yet another garbage bag of wrapping paper this past Christmas because it's expected to wrap gifts.

But that's the norm, and there hasn't been an established new normal yet. So it's not nearly as infuriating (to me at least) as this intentional clawing back of remote work to stroke the egos of executives.

Re: Ask HN: Is remote going away? Why?

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Let me give you a different perspective than "employers want power" etc. Not everyone can work remotely. Remote 100% is not always the answer. If you are entry level and want to learn from your peers and seniors, nothing beats in person collaboration. Nothing. People can claim otherwise and it may be true for a small percentage of people but if you have less than 3 years of real professional experience, 100% remote i…

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Re: Ask HN: Is remote going away? Why?

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Because fuck you, that's why. Pretty much what it boils down to. A lot of executives hated that employees got so much power during the pandemic (even though it's still miniscule compared to the power the executives have themselves) and they couldn't wait to take it back away from them. Now that there's a bit of a downturn (at least in tech jobs), they're taking advantage of it to force things back to the way it used…

This is such a cynical take. Why is it so ridiculous to believe that teams that work together in-person are more effective/innovative?

So what if they are? (And I'd argue there's not much hard evidence of that, and the in-person working together I did a couple months ago at an engineering summit was completely ineffective and far from innovative, and I think the pandemic in general has proven that people don't need to be in-person to be effective and innovative.)

Why must a company hyper-maximize the effectiveness of every employee at the expense of their work-life balance and happiness (assuming they would rather be remote, of course)?

And if the employee isn't happy, they're probably a lot less effective in-person than you might think, but you assume they are just because they're physically present.

Re: Ask HN: Is remote going away? Why?

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Plenty of companies are remote-only and functionally have no way of ever becoming in-person. They tend to be smaller, not huge megacorps, though.

If working remotely is important to you, I would look for these types of companies, and not the ones that only adopted remote work because of external circumstances, whether that be cultural trends or lockdown restrictions.

Re: Ask HN: Is remote going away? Why?

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post #5

Let me give you a different perspective than "employers want power" etc. Not everyone can work remotely. Remote 100% is not always the answer. If you are entry level and want to learn from your peers and seniors, nothing beats in person collaboration. Nothing. People can claim otherwise and it may be true for a small percentage of people but if you have less than 3 years of real professional experience, 100% remote i…

> People can claim otherwise and it may be true for a small percentage of people but if you have less than 3 years of real professional experience, 100% remote is a bad idea.

So, if I have 15 years of experience can I work from home? Hum. All the juniors in the office, all the seniors at home. That's it? Or just because some engineers do not know how to work remotely, then I too should be dragged to the office?

Nonsense.

Re: Ask HN: Is remote going away? Why?

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post #8

> The best I have is that this is some kind of power play but I'm not convinced. Am I missing something? You can consider that not everyone has the same preferences as you. Many people are more productive and happier working from an office and meeting their colleauges in person. Forcing people into limited open space with unassigned seats sounds like terrible execution of return to office but in general RTO doesn't h…

> You can consider that not everyone has the same preferences as you. Many people are more productive and happier working from an office and meeting their colleauges in person.

You mean, that to each their own right? I agree, but RTO is the opposite. RTO forces everyone to work from the office.

If you prefer to work from the office, go ahead be my guest. I prefer to work from home. It's a win-win, right? No. Just because you like to work from the office, I too must go to the office so that you are happy. I don't force you to work from the office or your home or wherever you want.

Re: Ask HN: Is remote going away? Why?

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post #5

Let me give you a different perspective than "employers want power" etc. Not everyone can work remotely. Remote 100% is not always the answer. If you are entry level and want to learn from your peers and seniors, nothing beats in person collaboration. Nothing. People can claim otherwise and it may be true for a small percentage of people but if you have less than 3 years of real professional experience, 100% remote i…

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It’s just internet points

Re: Ask HN: Is remote going away? Why?

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It’s just internet points

I don’t care about points but it’s annoying when dissenting opinion gets buried. Back in the day the only HN comments that got downvoted were flamebait or trolling.

Re: Ask HN: Is remote going away? Why?

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It's a power play. Plus, companies have all this real estate that they need to justify.

I've listened closely to all of the pro-RTO people, and have yet to hear a single reason proposed that makes any sense at all. The only thing I'm left with that makes any sense is that this is about power and money.

Re: Ask HN: Is remote going away? Why?

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Because fuck you, that's why. Pretty much what it boils down to. A lot of executives hated that employees got so much power during the pandemic (even though it's still miniscule compared to the power the executives have themselves) and they couldn't wait to take it back away from them. Now that there's a bit of a downturn (at least in tech jobs), they're taking advantage of it to force things back to the way it used…

This is such a cynical take. Why is it so ridiculous to believe that teams that work together in-person are more effective/innovative?

Because there's no evidence that this is the case, and there's a lot of lived experience saying that it isn't.
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