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Ask HN: How do you know if leaving your 1st software job will make you happier?

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Re: Ask HN: How do you know if leaving your 1st software job will make you happier?

#11
I was advised to move every two years in software, without knowing if it would be good advice. As it happens I roughly did that for a while, until I went contracting when curiously I stuck around for longer, well, not that curiously - I can be picky about roles and conditions now and doubling my income is no longer likely.

For the first few moves I doubled my salary. That helps a lot.

You grow a network too, you see things from different perspectives, get variety, learn new tools. A change is as good as a rest. And when all is said and done, if it doesn't make you happy, just take the extra experience and increased salary and go back.

But look around you, how many people who left the company ever came back?

IME the advice was good because companies tend to value you as little more than who they hired, the jobs market values you for who you are now, which changes quickly early in your career.

Good luck either way.

Re: Ask HN: How do you know if leaving your 1st software job will make you happier?

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post #10

You should quit. There's a randomized controlled experiment on this exact topic. See column 6 in page 28 of https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w22487/w224... On average, people who flip a coin to decide whether to quit are much happier when they quit. To be precise, if we define H as self-scored-1-to-10 happiness six months after the coin toss, then B_wald = (EV[H | heads] - EV[H | tails]) / (Pr[quit |…

This is a fascinating paper, and IMO you should submit it as its own link so more people can read and discuss it.

Re: Ask HN: How do you know if leaving your 1st software job will make you happier?

#15
I have worked with folks who weren't happy with their job. And I've quit a few jobs I had because I wasn't valued there.

But it wasn't because the work was unfulfilling. I've never really given that any thought because I was working to earn money and agreed to do what they needed done.

I have worked at a couple places where someone with a much higher pay grade quit and I was asked to take over their position but not offered a raise in pay. I quit on the spot when that happened. I have never felt anything close to regret over that.

But I have known friends over the years who have. They had a sweet gig at a great company and they didn't really realize how good they had it until afterwards.

I tried to talk a few of them out of that who, after they quit, came back and told me they regretted not listening to me.

Personally, I have had a pretty hectic, but also "rewarding", life. I'm 63 now and just getting by. Others I know who got and stuck it out working for a company that paid them well are doing much better.

Don't get me wrong, I have no regrets. I'll just say that if you have it pretty good, ride that for as long as you can cause shit happens.

Re: Ask HN: How do you know if leaving your 1st software job will make you happier?

#16
I left a job I really liked after 9 months, when a team I knew offered me a role at an early stage company. I took that job and stayed almost four years, and when it wound down, I went back to the previous job. Things had changed - it grew a lot - but many of the leaders I'd known during my first, short stint were still there. I came back at a more senior level, and came in with a positive reputation amongst many of the people who I hadn't worked with before, based on having done good work my first time out. This worked really well for me.

I have never regretted quitting a job I disliked.

Re: Ask HN: How do you know if leaving your 1st software job will make you happier?

#17
post #13

I've often taken vacation days to go work some place else for 1-2 weeks. If its horrible I'm more happy in my old job (as if I've taken a vacation) if its nice there Ill consider staying.

Where are you finding other (tech) jobs that are ok with this arrangement?

Re: Ask HN: How do you know if leaving your 1st software job will make you happier?

#19
I did 6 years at my first job. Then I moved so I “had” to quit (this was 15 years ago so long before remote was common). Then I realized switching from desktop software rich in processing and complex algorithms to working on things with a web stack was terrible. Just doing crud plumbing was soul crushing.

I asked for my old job back (remotely) and have been there since. I now realize that if I rule out any job with any web or db’s in it then I likely rule out 99% of all dev jobs. And that’s fine.

Re: Ask HN: How do you know if leaving your 1st software job will make you happier?

#20
I'll offer some different advice from all the "quit" people (9 comments so far and all advise quitting).

My first job out of school was at a really top-notch place. I grew a lot early on but growth started to slow a bit already by 1 year. I became frustrated with things and wanted to leave. In retrospect, I still think that was probably fine / the right move for me at the time - but what I'd really like to have known is how to make better of the current situation. I lacked the emotional maturity and perspective to take things more into my own hands. Admittedly, I've gained most of my wisdom from job-hopping and seeing things at different places.

I would advise you to be prepared to leave, but have an honest conversation with your manager about your frustrations (and also what makes you happy there). If it's a good place, they'll reciprocate by helping you towards your goals. If not, then you tried, and you can feel good about leaving.

Also just in general, I find average tenure is a very strong indicator of things. Crowd wisdom is important. If most people leave after X time, there might be good reason for it. If your company's average tenure is much longer, then you should try to figure out why those people are happy to stay so long

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