Ask HN: What companies are embracing “HTML over the wire”? • Hacker News Board

Re: Ask HN: What companies are embracing “HTML over the wire”?

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Post by freedomben » Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 8:10 PM UTC

mjfisher wrote: post #5

jerjerjer wrote: post #3

Is “HTML over the wire” a new buzzword for SSR or is there a difference I'm missing?

It is rendered server side, but typically the server keeps track of only what needs to change and sends as small as possible an update to dynamically update the DOM. You end up with a user experience that feels close to an SPA, but a dev experience that feels close to traditional SSR.

Tech like LiveView (Phoenix) and LiveWire (Laravel) are great examples of this.

Re: Ask HN: What companies are embracing “HTML over the wire”?

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 8:11 PM UTC

jerjerjer wrote: post #3

Is “HTML over the wire” a new buzzword for SSR or is there a difference I'm missing?

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Re: Ask HN: What companies are embracing “HTML over the wire”?

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Post by adiabatty » Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 8:11 PM UTC

Fresh does this, but I don't know who's using it in production, other than possibly the Deno people.

https://fresh.deno.dev/docs/introduction

Re: Ask HN: What companies are embracing “HTML over the wire”?

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Post by realrocker » Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 8:15 PM UTC

Been working on a html over the wire library in Go: https://github.com/livefir/fir. It mostly works but still work in progress

Re: Ask HN: What companies are embracing “HTML over the wire”?

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Post by jmkni » Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 8:17 PM UTC

jerjerjer wrote: post #3

Is “HTML over the wire” a new buzzword for SSR or is there a difference I'm missing?

Maybe we need to invent some sort of server-side MVC framework? lol

Re: Ask HN: What companies are embracing “HTML over the wire”?

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Post by jeanlucas » Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 8:17 PM UTC

All companies using Elixir / LiveView, there are quite a few

Re: Ask HN: What companies are embracing “HTML over the wire”?

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Post by marcopicentini » Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 8:20 PM UTC

I work for a B2B SaaS and we use Ruby on Rails with Hotwire and it's great!

Almost zero JS (no Vue.js, no React, or else).

Re: Ask HN: What companies are embracing “HTML over the wire”?

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Post by lordpankake » Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 8:20 PM UTC

I'm building a webapp[0] for turning Clickup docs into static sites, using CF Workers. There isn't a framework for Workers that has the flexibility I need, so I home-rolled one that only sends rendered HTML over the wire. Async components are supported too, so if I have a particularly data-intensive component the renderer just inlines a tiny JS script that sends a request to the worker again, which then returns just that component in HTML.

Could be worth releasing on its own as a GitHub project!

[0] https://intenso.app

Re: Ask HN: What companies are embracing “HTML over the wire”?

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Post by intrasight » Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 8:22 PM UTC

You can also go to the extreme of "jpeg over the wire". Your "web browser" could probably be implemented in <1000 lines of of code ;) No state, no cookies, no million lines of bundled JavaScript.

Re: Ask HN: What companies are embracing “HTML over the wire”?

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Post by sodapopcan » Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 8:22 PM UTC

jerjerjer wrote: post #3

Is “HTML over the wire” a new buzzword for SSR or is there a difference I'm missing?

Others already answered but that's why I bothered making that little quip about HTTP. It's kind of a ridiculous name but also funny and appropriate since it's trying to state that it's a return to form. My brother who is just started working with web tech recently didn't even realize that it was possible to send HTML over HTTP, lol.