Ask HN: How will AI impact the future of CRUD apps?
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#12As the requirements become more complex, like having an email sent off after a Create or Update, some SQL stored procedure code needing to be triggered, at this stage because I havent seen enough of the dataset used for training to really know, but they could potentially know enough data to replace a large group of programmers.
What reduces my confidence in that thought, is things like Chap-GPT3 cant even get history right from a wiki page, and cant even code in a specific language.
Its generating pseudo code in some instances, so I think they have a way to go still.
Re: Ask HN: How will AI impact the future of CRUD apps?
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#14What you've described is a bare bones CRUD app. The little I know about things like AI/LLM is you feed it text so it can learn. If the input is not good then the output is not going to be good either, doesn't matter what it does with the input.
We (as an industry) can't get feature requirements or business logic documented to be interpreted consistently by humans, who understand those problem domains in high fidelity, let alone some computers reading that text. If the translation of requirements to code isn't great, code to LLM to produce new code isn't going to cut it either.
Our industry jokes about all we do is CRUD apps but once an app is mature and beyond simple models, has integrations from a dozen APIs, has customers integrating via APIs, does reporting, needs to guarantee-ish transactions and most importantly is using derived sets of data for billing/invoicing it is much much more than a "CRUD app".
Re: Ask HN: How will AI impact the future of CRUD apps?
#15In my experience, CRUD apps are complicated with business requirements and therefore bespoke business logic. AI will definitely assist with getting apps up and running but there will still need to be someone who takes the requirements, turns it into a functional product, updates it, maintains it and owns it. I doubt it will be business/stakeholder people interacting with the AI. It could potentially be business analy…
At least that's what it feels like I get paid to do...
Re: Ask HN: How will AI impact the future of CRUD apps?
#16It won't. What you've described is a bare bones CRUD app. The little I know about things like AI/LLM is you feed it text so it can learn. If the input is not good then the output is not going to be good either, doesn't matter what it does with the input. We (as an industry) can't get feature requirements or business logic documented to be interpreted consistently by humans, who understand those problem domains in hig…
It would be pretty cool if LLM was able to be trained on your company's private code and then you were able to ask it "hey, we're thinking about making XYZ change with one of our vendors/components, what ramifications should we think of" and then it scans all of your code and tells you where stuff is touching it.
I can think of a ton of reasons why were years away from that/small simple breaking things that send the entire thing out the window, but I'd be surprised if we aren't marching towards some version of that next 5-10 years. Think of how many executives in companies will throw money at Microsoft if they promise (they can outright basically lie in the sales pitch and it doesn't even have to work cough Azure cough) it'll scan the entire company's code base and do advanced analytics on it.
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#17Re: Ask HN: How will AI impact the future of CRUD apps?
#18In my experience, CRUD apps are complicated with business requirements and therefore bespoke business logic. AI will definitely assist with getting apps up and running but there will still need to be someone who takes the requirements, turns it into a functional product, updates it, maintains it and owns it. I doubt it will be business/stakeholder people interacting with the AI. It could potentially be business analy…
I'm pretty sure I get paid to take everybody's collective best guess at what requirements should be (sometimes with way too many people involved giving their concerns/opinions, or just not being able to get anybody's attention and everybody rubber stamping it/half-assing it), put it in QA/CAT/UAT, let somebody else bang on it, then we all figure out in our effort to try to not miss anything, we missed a bunch of mass…
I suppose AI needs to be able to reason and we are still a long long time away from AGI according to experts.
Btw, what’s the CAT step?
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#19Oh, and the other very popular request that we get is "Hey, we have an app built with and we need to re-build it with traditional ways because we can't get new features in it because the no-code platform doesn't support them..."