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Ask HN: How to get better at spoken English?

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Re: Ask HN: How to get better at spoken English?

#11

I'm going through the opposite situation, but hopefully my experience will help. English is my mother tongue, and I immigrated to Israel where the only people who consistently speak English are high-tech workers, cab drivers, and 1 out of every 4 police officers. Of those, only the high-tech workers are in any way fluent. I completed a six-month language program, but I still couldn't speak or even read more than basi…

Heh. In finnish a bag is called pussi, I'm afraid to use the word

Re: Ask HN: How to get better at spoken English?

#12

I'm a native English speaker and one thing that helped me with other languages (let's say French) was the simple-in-retrospect idea of trying to speak French with a French accent. I.e. I know what French-accented English sounds like and I can imitate it, but it was sort of an epiphany to realize that the accent came from native French pronunciation habits. So if I pronounced French words with that same accent, rather…

I found this to be helpful in talking to non-native speakers as well actually. I lived in Japan for several years (and did not speak Japanese), and noticed that Japanese had many loan words from English whose phonemes had been bent to the more rigid Japanese phonemes. Words like "toilet" and "milk" in Japanese are "toi ray" and "miriku." Turns out there are many more and speaking with a faux-Japanese accent made it noticeably easier for Japanese listeners to understand what you were trying to say.

Yes, from an American-perspective, it felt slightly disrespectful at first to do this, but the results were positive.

Re: Ask HN: How to get better at spoken English?

#13
I am a non-native speaker of English and several other European languages.

English is the hardest to perfect, because of the numerous loan words which defy any systematic rules for correct pronunciation when you read. Then you also have the problem of accents and dialects. Even within a single country there are differences. In the USA: New York vs New Orleans, in the UK: London vs Manchester or Ireland / Scotland.

You could record some TV or radio program, repeat what you hear onto a recording and compare. Best approach would be to get a speech coach. They will explain correct mouth, tongue, etc placements.

Re: Ask HN: How to get better at spoken English?

#14

I'm a native English speaker and one thing that helped me with other languages (let's say French) was the simple-in-retrospect idea of trying to speak French with a French accent. I.e. I know what French-accented English sounds like and I can imitate it, but it was sort of an epiphany to realize that the accent came from native French pronunciation habits. So if I pronounced French words with that same accent, rather…

I found this to be helpful in talking to non-native speakers as well actually. I lived in Japan for several years (and did not speak Japanese), and noticed that Japanese had many loan words from English whose phonemes had been bent to the more rigid Japanese phonemes. Words like "toilet" and "milk" in Japanese are "toi ray" and "miriku." Turns out there are many more and speaking with a faux-Japanese accent made it n…

Do you mean that speaking English with a Japanese accent made it easier for Japanese people to understand you? That is interesting and I guess it makes sense, though I'd have a hard time bringing myself to do it, for the reason you mention. Heh.

Re: Ask HN: How to get better at spoken English?

#15
You not only have to listen you have to speak. Like watching tennis it might appear obvious but you need to get that brain larynx, mouth coordination going. So listen to audio, record yourself trying to repeat it like hearing yourself as a third person to get feedback. Phonetics will be all over the place but it gets better pretty quick.

If you want to try more academically check out this app from the university of Iowa but it needs studying. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=edu.uiowa.uirf...

Re: Ask HN: How to get better at spoken English?

#17
I'm in the same boat. You need to build muscle memory.

Get audio files of spoken English, preferably of someone with a timbre similar to yours (YouTube is a good source, download some videos and extract bits of audio with Audacity). Listen and repeat, initially pausing and repeating after each sentence, then repeating along with the audio. Pay close attention to things like connected speech patterns. After a couple of months of doing this for 30-40 minutes every day I started noticing improvements in my spoken English.

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