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Re: Ask HN: Tips for learning a foreign language

#11
French/Swedish translator here.

. I learned by living in the other countries. Semi-immersion in your home country is possible (movies, books, tutor, conversation exchange) but harder.

. What's your goal? Business, pleasure? Focus on finding the vocab you need to know and figuring out what level you'll need to reach.

. Fluency in itself isn't a true state - ability to communicate clearly is the best gauge, most of the time this means spoken communication. This can range from simple formalities to industry-specific negotiations.

. Traditional reading and writing exercises are only useful to learn the language framework, i.e. its basic grammar. Try to get these out of the way quickly, and use them more as a reference.

. Modern novel reading is good for vocab and cementing grammar knowledge, as well as being amusing.

. IMO the key to the most important communication channel is learning to speak in a way that is received loud and clear by a native. This means learning the sounds of the language, phonetics, and seeing where they differ to your own sound-bank. A recent blog experiment I read about [http://www.xamuel.com/french-in-30-days-day-30/] made some interesting discoveries - his intensive daily learning only resulted in an understanding of many single words. His actual communication skills weren't functional. I'd say that they could have been, had he focused on the right things. I left my further thoughts on the linked page.

. You can do all you need to for effective learning every day, just by living in the foreign country, with no need for reminders - but this is of course rarely practical.

. A further key point: learn to hear the fixed expressions that are used in common speech. With enough of these you can sail through most situations and even learn to ask for help when stuck on something.

. Do not try to word-for-word translate what you want to say in the target language, find the fixed expression for what you want to say. This takes time, and a fair bit of practice, but what doesn't?

. Flashcards give the false impression of learning to communicate. I would avoid these unless they contained fixed, common expressions. Even if they offer spaced repetition, which seems to work well, they encourage the wrong kind of learning. Yes, adults can take shortcuts to learn faster than children/babies, but they still must learn the 'codes' of communication in the culture and language.

I'm working on a system that incorporates these points in an audio format, but it's yet to be tested and I've no idea if even that could work as intended. So far, no silver bullet.

Re: Ask HN: Tips for learning a foreign language

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post #2

Something a bit different: I got a real boost in learning English and later French by reading Tintin and Asterix comics!

I can second this. Currently learning Swedish. Re-reading some Roald Dahl at the moment and finding it a lot more effective and most importantly fun. Have also bought the Watchmen comics to help motivate me to get to a more advanced level.

Re: Ask HN: Tips for learning a foreign language

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post #10

Linking to a question from a year and a half ago: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1603562 There are several good answers here.

There have been several other HN threads on this topic, as well, if you (original poster) want to have a look for them.

Re: Ask HN: Tips for learning a foreign language

#14
Acquisition begins before/below the level of words. Find some contemporary music in the language that you like and that has vocals, and listen to it a lot. Learn the sound of the language.

(Especially once you gain some fluency) Allow yourself to "draw a blank" when using/speaking the language, rather than immediately thinking of the corresponding term in your native language. This will help you to really be in the language. It can also, in a way, result in a more natural conversation with a native speaker, if and as that person can guess what your talking about and respond by "filling in the blanks". (And, it's just more fun to pause and then say, in idiomatic form used in the language: "that... stuff/thing/dohickey/whatchyamacallit..." . ;-)

Re: Ask HN: Tips for learning a foreign language

#15
One tip that has worked for me when I was learning English (I am native French speaker) is to read in the languages I wanted to learn books I already read in my native language, and I liked. That way I didn't have to look for words in the dictionary all the time because I already knew what the author wanted to say, plus I had the satisfaction of reading the original text which is always better than a translation!
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