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Ask HN: How to negotiate shares at my new job?

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Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate shares at my new job?

#11
As others have said, this is for a hired engineer role, not a CTO. Maybe they hope to grow you into that role, maybe not - those skills are very different than being a builder! CTO or first engineering hire should be 1-8% depending on your contributions and when you join.

Honestly, I wouldn't bother with the equity. They want you to write code - think of it like a job - you are not a co-founder.

Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate shares at my new job?

#12
> I'd rather have shares

At this stage you're not going to get shares, unless they really want you.

What you should be getting is options (with strike price at current/last valuation).

Think about how likely is the exit and where you expect the value to be in 5 years. For example, if company doubles in value, you will get to exercise your 1% for €200k and sell it for €400k (assuming there was no dilution). Not bad, but probably not the life changing event you were expecting, you can get roughly same value by getting a salary that is 40k/year higher with lesser risks.

Of course it gets very different when you expect the valuation to grow 100x. But that requires way more than simply expanding into another country.

Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate shares at my new job?

#13

Personally, I wouldn't sweat it. Be grateful they are not trying to force you to take equity in lieu of compensation, as any shares/options you do manage to negotiate are more than likely going to end up worthless, if not due to business failure* then due to dilution. Or, in some cases, embezzlement. This thread from a couple of days ago had a lot to say on the subject: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34084354 J…

I don't know where you got that it's failing and needs saving.

This is a perfectly fine company which has been around for 10+years and already received a couple of acquisition offers, AFAIK.

Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate shares at my new job?

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post #5

> site I'm going to rewrite I personally wouldn't expect a CTO to spend too much of their own time on building a website. Usually the CTO works more in a strategic capacity, ensuring the company is spending time on things that matter and that projects are on track. If the website-project does have a very high impact on the business and you're fine with taking this type of position, then you should emphasize the value…

From your and other comments I feel I poorly worded the OP: as CTO I would lead a small team and rewrite the site which is the main source of income for this company.

Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate shares at my new job?

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post #12

> I'd rather have shares At this stage you're not going to get shares, unless they really want you. What you should be getting is options (with strike price at current/last valuation). Think about how likely is the exit and where you expect the value to be in 5 years. For example, if company doubles in value, you will get to exercise your 1% for €200k and sell it for €400k (assuming there was no dilution). Not bad, b…

You're assuming that it would be valued 40M at exit, right?

How would it be different from them giving me 0.5% instead of 1% but at "face value"?

Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate shares at my new job?

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post #12

> I'd rather have shares At this stage you're not going to get shares, unless they really want you. What you should be getting is options (with strike price at current/last valuation). Think about how likely is the exit and where you expect the value to be in 5 years. For example, if company doubles in value, you will get to exercise your 1% for €200k and sell it for €400k (assuming there was no dilution). Not bad, b…

You're assuming that it would be valued 40M at exit, right? How would it be different from them giving me 0.5% instead of 1% but at "face value"?

Correct.

I doubt they can just give it to you at face value. Are there other employees that were incentivized with stock/options? Were there investment rounds? Were you with the company from the beginning?

As a CTO, you can be entitled to higher compensation (both cash and stock), but not special treatment.

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