Both scenarios worked because the norm was driven by the team. Where these norms become an imposition is when they're instituted from the top down.
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#12I don’t fully understand the “I won’t turn my camera on” insistence. This is akin to someone in-office bringing a curtain into a conference room saying “don’t look at me”.
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#14Other than the initial intro meeting, not only do I never have my camera on, but neither does anyone else usually. Meetings typically have three flavors. One, a periodic "standup" type meeting that involves going over an issue board. Two, an engineering peer review of some sort, that will involve going over a diagram or piece of code or a functionality demo. Three, some sort of swarm or pair programming type thing where you're either collaborating on creating something or troubleshooting an issue. In all of those cases, in order to actually do what you're trying to accomplish with the meeting, somebody needs to be screensharing.
But if there's a screen we should all be focusing on anyway, what would be the point of also adding N superfluous video streams to get distracted by?
Add to that the fact that, at least early in the pandemic, my ISP seemed to throttle me if I went over some unwritten weekly data usage cap I was a lot more likely to hit if I was adding in 8-15 HD video streams instead of just one.
This is different for very small free-form discussion meetings where a limited group of people is trying to reach a decision without having something to present. Maybe in that case seeing each other is warranted and helpful, but that is a very small subset of meetings. I don't see how it can possibly ever be justified to require cameras on all the time in all meetings.
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#16Edit: it is unfortunate though that you'll inevitably be judged for your room/home, etc. This is one reason I prefer in-person work; if my home is noisy or disheveled, nobody is the wiser.
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#17I have worked remotely since 2018 and camera-on is certainly the only way to go. Sure, large meetings or recorded sessions mine gets turned off. Cameras on for meeting where you are actually involved is an absolute necessity for trying to make the human connection. I don’t fully understand the “I won’t turn my camera on” insistence. This is akin to someone in-office bringing a curtain into a conference room saying “d…
It might help to consider that many of the people insisting on this don't understand why others find it weird that they insist. Personally, I don't understand the "You need to let me watch you" insistence.
(If you don't like the phrasing of, "You need to let me watch you" consider, at least, that might be how the insistence is perceived.)
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#18However, if this is something you want to do at times, not a problem. Just announce early in the meeting "Hey I am not in a good position to be on camera. Hope that's ok". If you do this sometimes and you get flak everytime, then it may be time for you to look for a better workplace.
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#19On the flipside, I do tend to turn my camera on during meetings. If I'm not at my computer, or the network can't handle it or something like that, then I won't, but if I'm at my computer why wouldn't I? I think you lose a lot of communication if you can't see each other, and honestly, I think that most meetings that don't require video could've just been a short text-chat or maybe even an e-mail instead.
I do think it depends on the type of meeting. I think "information" meetings, like a monthly department is more suited for everyone having their camera off, while meetings where a small number of people actually discuss something are suited for everyone having their camera on. But again, a lot of "information" meetings are frankly better as pre-made videos presentations instead of meetings, especially if there isn't room for discussion or questions anyway.
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#20I'm here to offer to information for anyone. If you're not able to hear me, I'll adjust. When I know about your disability I cater to you which reduces our growth.
I wish more people realize that cameras affect vulnerable populations.