I think maybe we should stop talking about Elon.
Ask HN: How will it impact after Elon's 'hardcore'
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#12I’m not seeing what Musk sees. I don’t understand how top tier engineering talent turns Twitter into something worth buying for $44,000,000,000.
It seems like a total farce. Accordingly, it seems like he’s being a complete asshole to thousands of people while making a spectacle of himself.
It means vanishingly little but this was what made me leave Twitter. His ineptitude around software engineering has made me wonder… If I knew anything about space or cars, would I similarly think he’s totally full of it?
The situation is grim. I don’t think his strategy will influence many other leaders, either.
It appears to me that Musk believes (or needs to believe) that Twitter has only failed due to incompetence. I don’t think it’s that simple though, and I don’t see any evidence that he has the competence to turn it around yet.
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#13996 is not unheard of in Silicon Valley, but in startups, where you have a remote promise of making big bucks. Old, failing companies, with a crippling debt and leadership without any clue? Even if Twitter were to succeed, financials won’t work for people.
996 is not unheard of in Silicon Valley, but in startups, where you have a remote promise of making big bucks.
It doesn't even make sense in a startup. If you're not a founder with significant control and a big share of the equity then your chances of a FIRE exit are slim to none and it makes no sense to sacrifice your personal life like that for someone else's business. If you are a founder with a big stake then you need to be showing good judgement and making sensible decisions and the chances that you are doing that if you're putting in 72+ hours/week are also slim to none. Workaholics tend to be terrible managers and even worse executives and not just because they assume it's OK to abuse other employees by expecting them to be workaholics too.
Re: Ask HN: How will it impact after Elon's 'hardcore'
#14I think maybe we should stop talking about Elon.
yes please!
Re: Ask HN: How will it impact after Elon's 'hardcore'
#15I’m not seeing what Musk sees. I don’t understand how top tier engineering talent turns Twitter into something worth buying for $44,000,000,000. It seems like a total farce. Accordingly, it seems like he’s being a complete asshole to thousands of people while making a spectacle of himself. It means vanishingly little but this was what made me leave Twitter. His ineptitude around software engineering has made me wonde…
> I don’t understand how top tier engineering talent turns Twitter into something worth buying for $44,000,000,000.
It doesn’t. Twitter’s product is not an engineering one of software or servers. And any revenue or cost improvements that are a result of engineering won’t be improved by sleeping on the floor.
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#16I’m not seeing what Musk sees. I don’t understand how top tier engineering talent turns Twitter into something worth buying for $44,000,000,000. It seems like a total farce. Accordingly, it seems like he’s being a complete asshole to thousands of people while making a spectacle of himself. It means vanishingly little but this was what made me leave Twitter. His ineptitude around software engineering has made me wonde…
> I don’t understand how top tier engineering talent turns Twitter into something worth buying for $44,000,000,000. It doesn’t. Twitter’s product is not an engineering one of software or servers. And any revenue or cost improvements that are a result of engineering won’t be improved by sleeping on the floor.
I think that last part is key here. Does excellence really require suffering? Especially for the disproportionate gain of someone who was, what, able to borrow more money than other people?
It’s such a preposterous idea on its face. I’m open to being ignorant and naive, but as it stands, I find the entire picture totally repulsive and incoherent.
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#17Will Twitter employees be earning hardcore TC? Or will they be expected to work hardcore hours with normal comp?
They'll continue receiving their existing hardcore TC until they either quit or are shown the door. Their replacements will receive normal comp (by US standards, not SV) and will eventually be relocated to Texas or somewhere else less expensive.
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#18It won't work with Twitter since there's no real goal or definition of success. Putting in long hours and working harder can only help to accomplish something faster, but nobody's defined what they want to get done except for some features around verification and subscriptions.
It's not even clear that the developers were falling short in any real way. The service has been working fine for years, invisibly rolling out features.
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#19Shareholders of Tesla demand tesla ceo to reduce pay and work in tesla office just like what he proposed for twitter or go find some other job. Elon tastes his own medicine
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#20Manufacture can build more with more hours. But tell me, how are "more hours" for less people building a better Twitter? What wonderful features will they build?
A social media is not a car or a rocket. People went to Twitter for its freedom. And now that freedom is migrating in flocks to Mastodon.
So no, US won't be China 2.0 They have already been.