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Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

#11
Personally, I find meditation as presented by Mingyur Rinpoche (from Tibetan Buddhist tradition) very useful and practically applicable to every day life. It goes beyond just mindfulness. Here is a quote from [0]:

"...practicing meditation is a process of exploring the heart and mind, of fully experiencing the richness of awareness itself. This implies that meditation is not meant to eliminate the things we don’t like about ourselves, or even to become “better” people. Meditation helps us to see that we are already whole and complete. It is a practical tool that enables us to get in touch with our true nature.

The path of meditation unfolds in two stages: We begin by recognizing that the nature of awareness is fundamentally good and pure, and that it is the source of true and lasting happiness. Once we have directly experienced the basic goodness of awareness, the path of meditation then consists of nurturing this recognition and allowing the qualities of awareness to manifest fully."

[0] https://tergar.org/meditation/what-is-meditation/

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

#12
To be aware of the present moment: the sounds, the slight movement of air against your skin, how the floor feels against your feet and so on.

If consciousness is a stream of "nows" the idea is to be aware of the stream instead of being a passenger, if it makes sense.

I think it has value, it can help with anxiety, i'm too lazy to make a habit of it.

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

#13
When we focus we do not really focus.

For example, while we eat, we get all kinds of thoughts, and we can easily get lost in them. Planning about the future, thinking about the past. We can get lost in our mind and our thoughts carry us around.

This is our default mode.

With meditation, we can learn to focus on what we are doing much more precisely than "typical" focus that we think is focusing, but the typical one we consider mainly "what we think our body is actively doing". We do not typically consider what's going on in the mind.

With meditation, we can learn to let go of the thoughts in our mind, so that we do not get dragged around this way or that way easily.

Training the mind is a skill that one learns over months and years.

When I meditate, I deliberately let the thoughts pass, and every session of meditation trains me to automatically be able to do it during my daily activities.

So when I am eating, I am only eating, with my body, but also my mind. When I am relaxing, I am truly relaxing. When I am thinking about something, I am truly thinking about only that thing.

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

#14
It's about training your mind's executive control/function. You learn to focus on one thing and allow others to pass through your awareness without them being overly distracting/disturbing.

Think of your focus like a spotlight. Most people have very little control over their spotlight and it gets aimed at whatever is the latest thing to enter their awareness: a thought, a sound, another thought, a visual, etc. It's bouncing all around, all the time. A proficient meditator can more effectively control where the spotlight points. Over time, as the mind slowly learns to do this better, the stuff outside the spotlight fades and become less intrusive. This leads to increasing states of calm and peacefulness which extend even after the meditation session ends.

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

#15
From what I've understood and practiced it's just being present in the moment, litarally not (explicitly) creating any thoughts, just observing and being aware of any input present outside.

Think of yourself like a wireless radio and think of the meditation like putting yourself into monitor mode.

It's definitely not a scam and it has been practiced a lot in the Eastern culture for long periods of time with observable true benefits.

However, like everything that gets popular in the west, there are many charlatans out there who are scammers.

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

#16
This thread is hilarious.

Anyway since you asked for personal experience, in my experience it's a nuanced thing.

- It's you being able to be aware, being able to reflect, and being able to re-calibrate on the way you do things.

- It's you being able to pause every once in a while and take a perspective. It sounds woo-woo but it's simply you taking a moment to really fucking gauge where you are right now based on your past and where you're fucking heading to.

- It's you being able to put yourself in perspective. This is you being one in seven billion people on earth, on a tiny pale blue dot of a planet across the universe, yet smaller than you is billions of organisms, atoms, and quantum stuff.

- It's you being able to check yourself in terms of politics, religion, faith, science. Do you find yourself in a sweet spot, or do you find yourself polarized, or do you find yourself biased, what shaped your beliefs right now, what beliefs are you not questioning, what beliefs are you questioning too much.

- It's you being able to tolerate and forgive yourself and other people to a degree (not on everything). It's you being able to let some things slide, and let things just the way they are.

- It's you being able to discern how you respond to something, how you think of it, how you feel it, how you experience it.

- It's cheesy. Not everyone will take you seriously when you talk about it. Other people are deep in it and very serious about it, other people are light about it and just chill about it. Other people have different terms of it.

- It's probably a sham. What makes one a 'guru' anyway? Haha. What's the product here? Are you being sold into a product or a service? Sales is about emotions and emotional stuff tend to sell. Peace of mind sells. Sex sells (mind you, even pickup gurus teach meditation). Happiness sells. Being a grounded alpha male sells. Being a holy person sells. Being something else sells. Experiencing something else sells.

So there you have it. I say define it as you wish and go on with your life. As someone else said (they say it's bruce lee, but whatever).. Absorb what is useful, discard what is useless and add what is specifically your own.

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

#17
This isn't an attempt at complete answer to your question, and I'm not an expert, a teacher, or anything besides a human who has dabbled with meditation and read a lot about Buddhism (and derived more-or-less secular frameworks such as mindfulness), depression, anxiety, neuroscience, spirituality, etc. over the last 15-20 years.

I'm speaking to two of your points, I think:

1) "isn't our whole life a sequence of meditations? Because we always focus on something"

2) "aren’t we doing [sit peacefully and observe your thoughts] anyway on a regular basis without introducing a word for it?"

In my direct personal experience, sitting in awareness, noticing thoughts and sensations, etc. is simply a materially different experience from... the rest of my time when I'm not doing that. It's materially different from when I'm focusing on an activity like coding (perhaps in a deep state of focus or "flow" [0]) or just habitually/pathologically scrolling through HN.

Did you ever get fully engrossed in a coding session and "lose time"? And eventually you "came around" or "landed" and realized you were "back" and 2 hours had gone by in deep focus? Did you ever realize that you'd been ruminating about some stupid thing for ages? E.g. repeatedly going over a difficult interaction from earlier in the day, or thinking about a difficult interaction that's coming up tomorrow and imagining how it might go? Did you ever snap out of that?

That feeling of "huh... I'm back - here I am." - that's what I am recruiting when I deliberately practice mindfulness. And then I get distracted... and when I notice, I bring my attention back... repeat.

To the second point of yours I quoted, i.e. are we doing this "anyway" on a regular basis? Maybe you are. For me, regular moment-to-moment thinking is generally not the same as mindfulness. I'm thinking, but I'm basically lost in the thoughts. I'm not observing them, I'm just thinking them - or they're thinking me. (And not just thoughts - this all applies equally well to emotional, interoceptive, and sensory experience.) Mindfully observing my experience is materially different, although I do get flashes of it throughout the day without reaching for it deliberately. Whether that's something I had before I started sporadic practice and just didn't have words for, or something the practice has unlocked for me, I can't say, because I can't faithfully recall what my moment-to-moment experience was like that long ago.

Maybe you're experiencing mindfulness frequently throughout your daily life, so you don't notice anything different when you set out to practice it deliberately. Maybe when you practice it you are getting lost in thought and not noticing. We'll never know, given the subjectivity of the experience and our limited tools for communicating about it, but I enjoyed the attempt :)

[0] https://www.amazon.com/Flow-Psychology-Experience-Perennial-...

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

#18
Meditation is a broad term encompassing many different practices and traditions (as you know). From my own experience, meditation is a means to understand (and more importantly *experience*) that what I consider a 'self' doesn't exist (from a first person perspective). It's an illusion created by my own mind via perpetual thought imagery, constant inner dialogue/self talk that is propagating and clinging to a fabricated image of who I am.

What keeps this going is the phenominon of thinking without realising you are thinking. You are simply being captured by thoughts that on the face of it (from the first person perspective) are coming out of nowhere. The analogy used is a dream. When you go to sleep you dream and usually you are not puzzled by the fact that a moment ago you were in your bed and the next you are in this dream situation. You completely lose the perspective that you are in a dream. Thoughts have this same quality. At the core of this issue is the sense of self.

Meditation is a means of becoming aware of this process (hence the practice of becoming aware of your thoughts). To do this successfully you need to develop a certain level of concentration (which is why there are practices that involve focus on the breath/some other meditation object singularly).

Sometimes people get caught up on the whole idea of meditation and try too hard (hence the gurus saying 'do nothing'). They revert back to the idea of a self and they try to improve themselves in some way. Really in meditation we are trying to become aware of something, a continual process playing out in your minds, a perpetual stream of thoughts that we are completely unaware of that is distorting our perceptions, creating an identity (in the first person sense) from which then arises all the emotional and psychological problems we tend to encounter in our daily lives that are as relevant today as when the Buddha was knocking around.

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

#19

From what I've understood and practiced it's just being present in the moment, litarally not (explicitly) creating any thoughts, just observing and being aware of any input present outside. Think of yourself like a wireless radio and think of the meditation like putting yourself into monitor mode. It's definitely not a scam and it has been practiced a lot in the Eastern culture for long periods of time with observabl…

> However, like everything that gets popular in the west, there are many charlatans out there who are scammers.

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Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

#20
> But then isn’t our whole life a sequence of meditations? Because we always focus on something (with sleep breaks).

> Other gurus teach that meditation is “doing nothing”. Okay, but then again there’s nothing special about it, we all do it from time to time.

This makes me wonder: have you ever felt overwhelmed by anxiety? Or experienced a panic attack? Or like you had so much stress that you couldn't eat, sleep or focus at all?

If so, you said that you tried meditation: did it help you at all?

Honest question, because from these statements sound to me like you perhaps don't see the value proposition of meditation.

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