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Re: Ask HN: How can I improve navigation skills?

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In my experience, if you rely too much on GPS that tells you exactly where you are and where to go you'll have a much tougher time actually retaining that information. When I first moved to a larger city than I'd lived in my whole life I had to look up how to get anywhere, but after I forced myself to stop and take wrong turns and figure it out I had a much easier time remembering where I was and how to get places. I…

> In my experience, if you rely too much on GPS that tells you exactly where you are and where to go you'll have a much tougher time actually retaining that information.

I think that is not surprising and well explainable. Without looking at GPS and immediately know "ah straight and then left" you now need to switch on your brain: Where am I? Which direction (in terms of compass direction) do I need to go, how am I aligned currently, can I infer from some landmark, sun, prior orientation? And you realize your surrounding for the next time ("ah at that red house or that billboard or that strange looking thing I need to go right"). You even learn street names by noticing them more, and next time can remember when you hit that street at another intersection.. all contributing to build up your inner mental map and orientation... if you know an area well you can just walk unknown new paths, because you know where you should come out and hit known territory from another angle again.

Often I am lazy and use GPS, which is also fine and a nice tool to have for foreign environments.. still this memory&learning effect is soo much compromised, so often when getting there a 2nd time I wonder: Have I been really here already? lol, so definitely sharing and seconding that experience!!

Btw, trying to retrace an unknown path you just travelled on some map only afterwards at home is also superhelpful reinforcement learning!

2nd btw what one said: > They use Google Maps' default "map turns around you" mode while I always orient my maps with the North pointing up.

Yes very much... kills any "need to orient" brainwork completely.. if you must maps, keep them north-oriented!! Definitely too.

Re: Ask HN: How can I improve navigation skills?

#12

There is a thing called Topographical Disorientation [0]. Totally not saying you have it. Could it be on the autism spectrum? I do not know. I have always been very bad at navigating. Remembering a location takes others 1-3 visits, where it takes me 8-12. I have actually counted. I am extremely bad at navigating to places and even at remembering the directions to previously visited locations. I do not have ADHD, I ca…

OP here. No matter how hard I try, I just can't get it until I make frequent visits from 'different sides' to a location. I didn't even know about Topographical Disorientation, but it really hits home. Anecdotally speaking, I always apologize to people around me saying that, "I think I don't have the location module in my brain".

Re: Ask HN: How can I improve navigation skills?

#14
The first few times use Google Maps. Then stop using it.

Also, in some cases the shortest route may not be the one easiest to remember. In the beginning stick with the one easiest to remember.

I used to live in a university town, and while I knew the way to the buildings relevant to me, it took me 6 months to realize the shortcuts.

Maybe try random walks during your free time?

Re: Ask HN: How can I improve navigation skills?

#16
The first time you go somewhere, you can use GPS. After that, try to remember the route. If you get lost, it's fine if you open up maps, but you should try. Eventually, you should just be able to glance at directions at the beginning and be like "oh, I need to take X and Y roads" and know where you're going.

It also helped me to set my maps to have North pointing up vs my heading pointing up.

Re: Ask HN: How can I improve navigation skills?

#17
This is like when watching movies in a language you are trying to learn. The English subtitle won't help you learn, you only learn to use it as a crutch. You have to use the native subtitle and a dictionary, that way your brain is motivated to learn in order to be able to enjoy the movie.

Brains love crutches.

This is also like learning a new keyboard layout. You have to just start using it however painfully slowly, but it's precisely that inconvenience that motivates your brain to get it before long.

Re: Ask HN: How can I improve navigation skills?

#18

There is a thing called Topographical Disorientation [0]. Totally not saying you have it. Could it be on the autism spectrum? I do not know. I have always been very bad at navigating. Remembering a location takes others 1-3 visits, where it takes me 8-12. I have actually counted. I am extremely bad at navigating to places and even at remembering the directions to previously visited locations. I do not have ADHD, I ca…

OP here. No matter how hard I try, I just can't get it until I make frequent visits from 'different sides' to a location. I didn't even know about Topographical Disorientation, but it really hits home. Anecdotally speaking, I always apologize to people around me saying that, "I think I don't have the location module in my brain".

Yes. Same goes with me.

My partner and parents know that I have this. I don't tell it to others.

I also go to the same location through many roads, but only once I have one etched into my mind.

I have to use G-Maps 7-8 times for visiting the same location if there are even days-wide gaps.

I am also bad at getting directions in maps. I have to orient and reorient one multiple times to figure out where I am, which way I am looking, amd which way I need to go.

I often just walk 10-20 meters to figure out which way I am looking or need to go.

Yeah, I am missing the "location module", too.

I have had this long before I had access to any sort of digital maps or GPS.

And, for me, Google Maps has been a lifesaver.

If I go with the help of it 8-10 times, I never ever forget the road again.

This is so weird for me given I have so good memory since my childhood. I could always memorize things real fast, without any superficial tools like mnemonics, flash cards, etc.

Re: Ask HN: How can I improve navigation skills?

#19
As one of those people who is like a walking GPS (I can take you somewhere if I’ve only been there once, or I can take you to a place if I know where it is, where I am but not what’s in-between, I have a 3d map in my head and can walk a route in my mind or visualise a place and its details) I’d like to offer the following advice...

Maybe you can learn to be good at navigating. I did it by just walking round London as a kid in an age without smartphones and without parents inclined to drive me places. Public transport in my area of London was also poor and I was a teenager with no money. I also grew up navigating for my parents on road trips.

However, from what I understand, spatial memory and spatial reasoning are somewhat innate. It’s perfectly possible that you just have very poor spatial memory and poor spatial reasoning and trying to change that could be fruitless.

Test my theory by looking at something across the room from you. Would you feel OK with trying to go and pick it up without opening your eyes?

Re: Ask HN: How can I improve navigation skills?

#20

As one of those people who is like a walking GPS (I can take you somewhere if I’ve only been there once, or I can take you to a place if I know where it is, where I am but not what’s in-between, I have a 3d map in my head and can walk a route in my mind or visualise a place and its details) I’d like to offer the following advice... Maybe you can learn to be good at navigating. I did it by just walking round London as…

I don’t think the room analogy works. I can easily find my way to something in the dark and place rooms in a house in my head but I’ve never been able to visualize anything city or town scale spatially.
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