My experience has been that the more we get the more we want. So after a while we stop appreciating what we have and expect more. I bet, after a bit, long sabbaticals are bound to be unappreciated. The last place I worked at had amazing benefits and lots of time off. Yet people would bitch about it not being enough. So I would make long sabbaticals a reward for the individuals rather than an expected benefit for it to continue its intended impact.
Ask HN: Can I start a tech company with mandatory 2 month yearly sabbaticals?
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#13You can do whatever you want just know that the market will decide if you can do this. In a few ways: A. Capital - Investors will be highly skeptical of this approach. Is there a CEO they can invest who does not give people 2 months off? If so, they’ll probably send their money that way. B. Competition - Your competitors will be delighted to learn that your workforce is 10-15% less active than they are. C. Recruiting…
The first point is definitely true - for sure, this can’t be possible for the first year (or even two) of the startup anyway since we need to get a viable product off the ramp and garner enough interest and hopefully revenue. I agree that we can’t compromise on overall productivity. Which brings me to the next point which is that I do strongly believe that productivity will not take a massive hit overall - as much as…
Reacclimating to work after a long weekend is hard for some people. 60 days off can be mentally jarring for others.
Startups move quickly. Coming back and finding out what’s going in the company, the people, this all adds complexity.
Finally, not everyone is an engineer making $320k and suggesting 2 months off. Some people genuinely enjoy work and don’t want to take more time off. What works for you as an engineer might not be what others in sales, product, marketing and operations want.
I might feel like I do better work high it doesn’t mean I’m going to subject my team to a mandatory daily edible.
All that said if you end up starting a company and are taking 2 months off in cycles - there will be people who don’t do this and will wonder “where is our boss / when are they going to show up?”
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
The first point is definitely true - for sure, this can’t be possible for the first year (or even two) of the startup anyway since we need to get a viable product off the ramp and garner enough interest and hopefully revenue. I agree that we can’t compromise on overall productivity. Which brings me to the next point which is that I do strongly believe that productivity will not take a massive hit overall - as much as…
Ok I would encourage you to Ask other engineers if they feel like taking 2 months off would affect their focus on a long term project. Reacclimating to work after a long weekend is hard for some people. 60 days off can be mentally jarring for others. Startups move quickly. Coming back and finding out what’s going in the company, the people, this all adds complexity. Finally, not everyone is an engineer making $320k a…
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#15The original meaning of sabbatical was for labourers to take one whole year off after working for seven straight years.
Maybe you should offer something closer to that definition?
Of course, after a year off, it might be hard for the employee to mentally go back and do the same thing for another seven years, but don't forget, as a company you've done without them for 12 months, so it may not be too big a deal if they do decide to leave.
Essentially, you'd be ensuring that MOST of your employees will stay with you for a seven year tenure, which is much higher than most companies would average for their employees.
I'm not good at public maths but I think you'll be paying employees 14% higher than the market rate based on the 1 year paid sabbatical at the end — but don't forget, if the employee leaves after 3 or 4 years, you don't have to pay that 14%.
EDIT: If I were doing this I would probably pay the extra 14% to a trust account each month, which would then be paid out as a salary during the 12 month sabbatical (so their actual salary may be slightly lower than their final year's salary, as they'll have probably received raises during their seven years of employment). The advantage to the employee of doing it his way, is they'll rest assured their salary received during their sabbatical is guaranteed, even if the company gets shut down.