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Re: Ask HN: Cloudflare broke my domain's DNSSEC making it unreachable since 4 days

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. It had DNSSEC enabled for over a year when it was with the old registrar.

You would usually need to disable DNSSEC, wait 24h, transfer, and then wait for at least 24h before enabling DNSSEC again.

Thanks for the info, I'll keep it in mind for eventual future transfers. But shouldn't I be able to disable DNSSEC regardless, instead of the domain being stuck in limbo and hijacked by what appears to be a deadlock type of bug?

Re: Ask HN: Cloudflare broke my domain's DNSSEC making it unreachable since 4 days

#12
post #6

> what's the fastest way to get technical assistance when on a free plan? Upgrading to a non-free plan? You don't have to upgrade to enterprise, but even their $20/mo plan comes with support. (Also, I hate to victim-blame here but using DNSSEC was a bad idea in the first place)

Can you please explain why DNSSEC was a bad idea in the first place? It worked perfectly fine with the old registrar.

It like https. A lot of people in the past viewed HTTPS as a terrible idea that just broke things, and every example where someone had their website go down because of broken certificates or mixed content was proof that https as a concept was broken. Usually people brought up x.509 or revocation lists as the definitive proof that https would never be common.

Re: Ask HN: Cloudflare broke my domain's DNSSEC making it unreachable since 4 days

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post #12
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you please explain why DNSSEC was a bad idea in the first place? It worked perfectly fine with the old registrar.

It like https. A lot of people in the past viewed HTTPS as a terrible idea that just broke things, and every example where someone had their website go down because of broken certificates or mixed content was proof that https as a concept was broken. Usually people brought up x.509 or revocation lists as the definitive proof that https would never be common.

From a site reliability perspective HTTPS is still broken. Some 15yo OS can't access any site because it doesn't have the certificates or cipher suites. And as you mentioned we need to update certs, webservers and DNS all the time to keep up to date. We only put up with it because it protects users from from snoopers. But that means we live in an inadequate equilibrium. If we abolished mass surveillance rather than impeding it with technical measures then we wouldn't need encryption for read-only sites, we could have our cake and eat it too.

Re: Ask HN: Cloudflare broke my domain's DNSSEC making it unreachable since 4 days

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I had a problem with a similar effect some time ago but I run my own DNS (no Cloudflare). I accidentally clicked a button in my control panel to regenerate the zone keys, which means the published keys mismatched the new zone signature for a couple of days until I was able to get the registrar to update them and everything propagated (even when a registrar supports the .eu TLD they are usually severely lacking in automation). The control panel devs have since added a confirmation dialog!

Re: Ask HN: Cloudflare broke my domain's DNSSEC making it unreachable since 4 days

#16
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. It had DNSSEC enabled for over a year when it was with the old registrar.

You would usually need to disable DNSSEC, wait 24h, transfer, and then wait for at least 24h before enabling DNSSEC again.

Are there any case where DNSSEC can be kept enabled? I though it need to be disabled for transferring.

Re: Ask HN: Cloudflare broke my domain's DNSSEC making it unreachable since 4 days

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-- removed. My apologies. --

My domain and users have ended up in limbo beyond anyone's but Cloudflare's control. I cannot transfer it back to the working registrar, or I would without being "angry at some free service". Why do you think berating me with snide remarks is helpful?

Re: Ask HN: Cloudflare broke my domain's DNSSEC making it unreachable since 4 days

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post #14
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It like https. A lot of people in the past viewed HTTPS as a terrible idea that just broke things, and every example where someone had their website go down because of broken certificates or mixed content was proof that https as a concept was broken. Usually people brought up x.509 or revocation lists as the definitive proof that https would never be common.

From a site reliability perspective HTTPS is still broken. Some 15yo OS can't access any site because it doesn't have the certificates or cipher suites. And as you mentioned we need to update certs, webservers and DNS all the time to keep up to date. We only put up with it because it protects users from from snoopers. But that means we live in an inadequate equilibrium. If we abolished mass surveillance rather than i…

> If we abolished mass surveillance then we wouldn't need encryption for read-only sites, we could have our cake and eat it too.

Mass surveillance is not the only reason to have HTTPS everywhere. It protects not just from snoopers, but from MITM attacks.

Re: Ask HN: Cloudflare broke my domain's DNSSEC making it unreachable since 4 days

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post #14
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It like https. A lot of people in the past viewed HTTPS as a terrible idea that just broke things, and every example where someone had their website go down because of broken certificates or mixed content was proof that https as a concept was broken. Usually people brought up x.509 or revocation lists as the definitive proof that https would never be common.

From a site reliability perspective HTTPS is still broken. Some 15yo OS can't access any site because it doesn't have the certificates or cipher suites. And as you mentioned we need to update certs, webservers and DNS all the time to keep up to date. We only put up with it because it protects users from from snoopers. But that means we live in an inadequate equilibrium. If we abolished mass surveillance rather than i…

Do you think criminals care about the law?

Re: Ask HN: Cloudflare broke my domain's DNSSEC making it unreachable since 4 days

#20
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would usually need to disable DNSSEC, wait 24h, transfer, and then wait for at least 24h before enabling DNSSEC again.

Thanks for the info, I'll keep it in mind for eventual future transfers. But shouldn't I be able to disable DNSSEC regardless, instead of the domain being stuck in limbo and hijacked by what appears to be a deadlock type of bug?

Talking as a admin at a registrar, Yes, Indeed Yes, you should be able to disable DNSSEC regardless.

DNSSEC signed is basically just that the TLD servers has a DS record listed for the domain. In order to remove dnssec you remove the DS record. This can be easy or hard depending on the interface that the TLD, but in theory very simple.

The reason why its recommended to remove dnssec before transfer is to allow caches to timeout with the old DS record to expire. Some TLD also automatically remove DS when you do a transfer and a name server change, as it is a rather clear signal that the old key won't be useful. There is however some exciting new technology called multi-signer which is intended to resolve this problem in the future.

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