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Re: Ask HN: Is blockchain tech already everything we need it to be?

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If there's some way to actually solve the scaling problem [1] meaningfully, it might have a chance to be more than niche. Broadly applies to Ethereum and all other existing blockchain systems too. Ethereum can handle ~25 transactions per second at the moment. Commit a namespace entry? Transaction. Send coins? Transaction. Any smart contract interactions? Transaction. The actual Web 3.0, where all our name resolution…

This seems to ignore Ethereum's rollup-centric approach to scalability. Many of those interactions you mention (such as sending coins, interacting with a smart contract) can be batched and, in a single L1 transaction, their integrity verified cryptographically with succinct zero-knowledge proofs (zk-SNARK/zk-STARK). To the user, eventual UX is similar. Direct CEX on/off ramps to rollup, trading, DeFi, NFTs, smart con…

Everything about eth scaling is just kicking the can down some other chain. L2 and Rollups are the same sidechain paradigm from 2014 with newer, more fragile math.

Payment and State Channels are the only true way to scale. Off-chain txs. Lightning network works quite well today for Bitcoin and I look forward to seeing entirely new paradigms evolve in time for Eth.

Re: Ask HN: Is blockchain tech already everything we need it to be?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems to ignore Ethereum's rollup-centric approach to scalability. Many of those interactions you mention (such as sending coins, interacting with a smart contract) can be batched and, in a single L1 transaction, their integrity verified cryptographically with succinct zero-knowledge proofs (zk-SNARK/zk-STARK). To the user, eventual UX is similar. Direct CEX on/off ramps to rollup, trading, DeFi, NFTs, smart con…

Everything about eth scaling is just kicking the can down some other chain. L2 and Rollups are the same sidechain paradigm from 2014 with newer, more fragile math. Payment and State Channels are the only true way to scale. Off-chain txs. Lightning network works quite well today for Bitcoin and I look forward to seeing entirely new paradigms evolve in time for Eth.

Lightning Network is a Layer 2. State channels also exist on top of Ethereum, such as Raiden Network and others[1].

The Eth core devs and users are more interested in rollups due to them being general-purpose[2], i.e. suitable for applications and smart contracts to build on top of (for e.g. Uniswap on a rollup via zkEVM[3]).

[1] https://ethereum.org/en/developers/docs/scaling/

[2] https://vitalik.ca/general/2021/01/05/rollup.html

[3] https://scroll.io/blog/zkEVM

Re: Ask HN: Is blockchain tech already everything we need it to be?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything about eth scaling is just kicking the can down some other chain. L2 and Rollups are the same sidechain paradigm from 2014 with newer, more fragile math. Payment and State Channels are the only true way to scale. Off-chain txs. Lightning network works quite well today for Bitcoin and I look forward to seeing entirely new paradigms evolve in time for Eth.

Lightning Network is a Layer 2. State channels also exist on top of Ethereum, such as Raiden Network and others[1]. The Eth core devs and users are more interested in rollups due to them being general-purpose[2], i.e. suitable for applications and smart contracts to build on top of (for e.g. Uniswap on a rollup via zkEVM[3]). [1] https://ethereum.org/en/developers/docs/scaling/ [2] https://vitalik.ca/general/2021/01/…

Ya, I know. kick that can down the road.

Not everything needs to be recorded for all eternity.

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