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Re: Ask HN: Neurodiversity/ADHD Friendly Companies

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> Do you know / can recommend companies with neurodiversity programs? It's very easy for companies to set up something like this for the sake of appearances, I would advise against selecting your employer based on this.

The kind of company that sets up a neurodiversity program will also not be the kind of company OP is describing he likes. Big, slow, rich companies can do stuff like that but the development work will be more bureaucratic. Small startups have you wear many hats and always put out fires and cobble things together to a solution that’s fast and kind of works. But those companies will never invest heavily into HR initiatives until they have like 1000 people.

Re: Ask HN: Neurodiversity/ADHD Friendly Companies

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post #5

> Do you know / can recommend companies with neurodiversity programs? It's very easy for companies to set up something like this for the sake of appearances, I would advise against selecting your employer based on this.

Absolutely true, yet then at least I would feel at ease with myself if we agree to the terms. All cards on the table and I won't have to feel bad about myself because I procrastinated on filling 37.12 .xlsx files with the detailed diary about my work.

What kind of terms do you mean? Opening with "I might procrastinate" will make interviewing much more difficult - many companies will disqualify you regardless of their mental health initiatives.

Re: Ask HN: Neurodiversity/ADHD Friendly Companies

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This is interesting. What are you looking for specifically? What does a neurodiversity program look like at a company? What, to you, makes a company neurodiversity-friendly?

If I'm to be 100% honest - I have no idea and thus I'm looking slightly to stand on the shoulders of the giants, who most likely know better than I do. Neurodiversity is... diverse. I could probably write a book about my experiences and they wouldn't match the next person with ADHD (at least not completely). Describing the "perfect" organization for me that would probably be company that allowed me to switch between…

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Re: Ask HN: Neurodiversity/ADHD Friendly Companies

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This is interesting. What are you looking for specifically? What does a neurodiversity program look like at a company? What, to you, makes a company neurodiversity-friendly?

If I'm to be 100% honest - I have no idea and thus I'm looking slightly to stand on the shoulders of the giants, who most likely know better than I do. Neurodiversity is... diverse. I could probably write a book about my experiences and they wouldn't match the next person with ADHD (at least not completely). Describing the "perfect" organization for me that would probably be company that allowed me to switch between…

Have you tried consulting? I can recognise a lot of what you describe in myself, and as a fellow recently enlightened ADHD (though I dislike the term) person who has spent quite a few years working in this type of environment, I can totally see why it's a really good fit. Some of the biggest firms are starting to recognise this and are targeting their marketing towards folks like us: https://www.ey.com/en_uk/news/2021/07/ey-launches-first-neur...

It's not all roses of course. Happy to share my experience, if useful.

Re: Ask HN: Neurodiversity/ADHD Friendly Companies

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Have you considered consulting? While most typical friends of mine don't like consulting gig and only start there to get connections, I know some ADHD tendency people to do quite well in consulting. If you get bored, you can always look for another project. (some of the people I know even started their own consulting after creating their own network)

Re: Ask HN: Neurodiversity/ADHD Friendly Companies

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post #4

If there's a program to create work environments for people who experience mortal battles with burnout, procrastination and self-doubt when things are stale and there's nothing to do but boring forms, then that sounds like something I'd quite like to get into myself, even without having ADHD.

It's quite interesting, but I believe that procrastination and burnout are rather obvious signs of ADHD and if you experience this you should verify this.

I'm a huge mental health advocate and I've been such for years (I worked with a lot of psychiatrists and psychologists when doing deep interpersonal training for business purposes and I built a lot of trust toward field) and I've been working constantly with therapists, have friends who are psychiatrists etc.

Yet no one, at any point suggested this might be ADHD because:

- ADHD has a lot of bad press (as something that is result of bad parenthood - which is false, that's genetics)

- ADHD in adults is somewhat new (where I live there all the meds are prescription only for children with note that they shouldn't be used for adults)

- ADHD adults are either successful (because they overcame hardships and are perceived as very interesting people in general) so they don't seek help or very miserable (dropping jobs, partners etc.) - they can't afford diagnosis and treatment

- ADHD in women is severely underdiagnosed (because it's attributed to hormonal mood swings)

- ADHD is often used as a joke, so people treat it as joke

- ADHD often gives symptoms that might be diagnosed as substance addiction, bi-polar personality, neuroticism, anger issues etc., people treat this for years and it doesn't help

- If you get in the wrong basket it's really hard to get out of it (I was working with different set of issues)

And that was for more then a decade. I decided to diagnose myself with specialist only after lately I couldn't focus on anything absolutely at all. I had weeks were I didn't do anything I really wanted - that wasn't normal and I went to a huge stretch to find out what that was.

Re: Ask HN: Neurodiversity/ADHD Friendly Companies

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If you're an employer reading this and thinking "how can i help make my company adhd friendly" then i highly recommend you check out the welfare pack from adhduk [1].

i had a chat with the ceo of the charity when i got diagnosed to see if i could help and he is one of the few people i've spoken to in the space that is actively considering adhd in the workplace.

my favourite parts are:

- before criticising timeliness, ask if timeliness is critical to the role. if it isn't, have a policy of flexible time, make it ok to make up lateness later. if it is, find ways to make it less so with scheduling and partnering

- hot desking / open offices: make provisions for people to have quiet and uninterrupted work environments. perhaps that is alternate office space, providing noise cancelling headphones.

- meeting timeliness: fully integrate calendar and reminder systems. for many with adhd something not in the calendar may aswell not exist.

there are loads more but most of the key point boil down to: stop immediately thinking that every time someone doesn't meet your expectations, that it's a personal failure of theirs. start considering how the environment (physical, social, technological, conceptual) might be an impediment to them. start questioning your assumptions around what is "actually" necessary for a role and what you think is necessary.

my personal addition to this is: lots of the ways in which i disappoint people ultimately derive from an innate fear of disappointing people. the irony is not lost on me. the answer, ive found, is to create for myself an environment in which a) my colleagues can separate their disappointment in my actions/ outcomes from me. b) where i can communicate my issues / worries as and when they arrive without fear.

my favourite one has been telling people that a particular task will be far to boring for me to do alone and being able to partner up with someone else to get it done. or that asking me to remember to do something in prep for a meeting is a bad idea and to either pop it straight into my calendar, do it now or make some time during the meeting to do it. that last one is basically the amazon meeting agenda policy where the start of every meeting is reading the notes for the meeting, it's adhd dream.

i am reminded to leave this caveat: yes, these are problems we all face, the questions is: do the problems cause a material impact on your life (lost jobs, failed relationships (love/friends), missed opportunities, states of being that you cant escape). the difference between having adhd and not is whether the problems cause disorder in your life currently, and have done so for much of your life.

1]: https://adhduk.co.uk/adhd-and-work/

Re: Ask HN: Neurodiversity/ADHD Friendly Companies

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No one wanted me and my ADHD and so I went out on my own. Now running a decently successful software/consultancy firm (not funded and not a single loan, I'm proud to say - edit: as in "told you I had it in me").

Of course this isn't an option for everyone, but starting your own business might be worth considering.

Re: Ask HN: Neurodiversity/ADHD Friendly Companies

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Hey,from my experience, things you can try are :

- Consulting/contracting (not freelance as it creates uncertainty and that could lead to stress)

- Design agencies (Front End/Design Technologist)

- Advertising Agencies who have a larger variety of projects (Technologist)

Hope that helps.

An example job I searched is based in Madrid: https://www.linkedin.com/mwlite/jobs/view/2908478547

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