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Ask HN: Spammers got smarter or Gmail is no longer good?

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Re: Ask HN: Spammers got smarter or Gmail is no longer good?

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Same problem here. And marking genuine emails as 'not spam' does not guarantee the mail will come through next time.

What makes this weird to me is that most of my newsletter emails will come through fine, but then one or two are filtered as spam. Like, at least make up your mind about whether the sender is legitimate instead of using a random number generator?

Re: Ask HN: Spammers got smarter or Gmail is no longer good?

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I've never had spam issues with gmail until about 3-4 weeks ago..now I get spam every single day and I always mark as spam + block, but haven't seen any improvement. My fastmail account has been a great alternative, but for many reasons I can't totally drop the gmail account

Yes I reckon they overcooked the algorithm since about 3-4 weeks ago I noticed a very large jump in legit email being false-flagged as spam by gmail.

Even many emails from GitHub issues tracker were shoved into Spam erroneously.

The "not spam" button is not working very well so far this year and I'm clicking the same kind of email dozens of times as Not Spam but this is flaky and not a reliable method.

What DOES work as a manual patch to fix this, is create a Filter for a domain or email address you trust and tick the filter option to Never Mark as Spam.

Time to leave Gmail anyway...

I've just finished reading about the process before I begin moving a dozen grandfathered personal and my SMB client domains from gmail over to Fastmail.

Fastmail is going to be much better value than gmail (once these previously grandfathered free domains are no longer free with gmail any more).

Fastmail Seive plus Dropbox integration looks really powerful and I'm keen to try it.

Fastmail Reseller Account is the practical way forward for a better value feature-set.

Moving DNS hosting to Fastmail also...

Re: Ask HN: Spammers got smarter or Gmail is no longer good?

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I have a dark-pattern theory: Gmail tracks retention metrics, one of whose proxies are app opens. If you don’t get a lot of email, or haven’t opened the gmail app in a while, then they purposely let some spam through to trick you into an app open. Also, people who are susceptible to click on spam are likely excellent targets for Google’s behemoth ad platform, so it probably leads to higher conversion (by collecting data points on you).

Re: Ask HN: Spammers got smarter or Gmail is no longer good?

#16

I have a dark-pattern theory: Gmail tracks retention metrics, one of whose proxies are app opens. If you don’t get a lot of email, or haven’t opened the gmail app in a while, then they purposely let some spam through to trick you into an app open. Also, people who are susceptible to click on spam are likely excellent targets for Google’s behemoth ad platform, so it probably leads to higher conversion (by collecting d…

This sort of evidence-free conspiracy-theory cynicism is common these days. I don't think it's helpful.

Re: Ask HN: Spammers got smarter or Gmail is no longer good?

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I'm wondering if spammers are just getting too good to be reasonably stopped at this point. We see high false-positive and false-negative rates. It's maddening. Once again advertisers and scammers (is there a difference?) show themselves to be the reason we can't have nice things.

Re: Ask HN: Spammers got smarter or Gmail is no longer good?

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I have a dark-pattern theory: Gmail tracks retention metrics, one of whose proxies are app opens. If you don’t get a lot of email, or haven’t opened the gmail app in a while, then they purposely let some spam through to trick you into an app open. Also, people who are susceptible to click on spam are likely excellent targets for Google’s behemoth ad platform, so it probably leads to higher conversion (by collecting d…

This sort of evidence-free conspiracy-theory cynicism is common these days. I don't think it's helpful.

How to obtain evidence from a closed system? Sadly, large multinational corporate behavior in the field of walled gardens (or vehicular safety, or financial practice...) has often tended toward perverse and scheming motivations, so a reasonable degree of creative cynicism is not uncalled for. We humans are, after all, creative and greedy little bastards.

Re: Ask HN: Spammers got smarter or Gmail is no longer good?

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My email account's spam folder receives spam at a pace of one every 2 hours (my address got pwned) and one or two of them per day seem to make it to the inbox. I can't ditch that account right now as all email from government services and social circles are still received there as well, as that address has been used for something like 12 years now.

A change in the Google's antispam algorithms (is it still blacklisting?) might be the cause, and I additionally suspect the spam mails' extensive use of latin-looking unicode characters to evade the filters.

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