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Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#11

Isn't this Google's job? Are developers a small but lucrative target and so the suits at Google don't see the benefit of improving that experience by cleaning up the spam? Can we just nudge them to do so under the threat of an influential minority leaving due to their use case being affected?

Worst case scenario if Google drops the ball I just go back to the library.

I'm sure they have great books on stackoverflow answers, reddit reviews of products and opening times of local stores.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#12

Isn't this Google's job? Are developers a small but lucrative target and so the suits at Google don't see the benefit of improving that experience by cleaning up the spam? Can we just nudge them to do so under the threat of an influential minority leaving due to their use case being affected?

> Isn't this Google's job?

Have you searched anything on Google lately? The answer is "no". Their new job seems to be to stuff your results with anything even remotely related (and sometimes related in a way that only machine learning can see) so you have things to click on.

Edit: with the lone exception of "find me this bussiness nearby".

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#13

Isn't this Google's job? Are developers a small but lucrative target and so the suits at Google don't see the benefit of improving that experience by cleaning up the spam? Can we just nudge them to do so under the threat of an influential minority leaving due to their use case being affected?

>Isn't this Google's job?

Or more fundamentally perhaps this is just the system working as Google intended?

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#14
post #6

I think we are attacking the wrong angle here. This should be solved at google

Are you sure it hasn't been (from their point of view)? I've got that old familiar feeling that there has been a change internally about what now constitutes a "quality" search result. Google has been moving toward optimizing for engagement over what we normally thing of as relevance for a while.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

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post #6

I think we are attacking the wrong angle here. This should be solved at google

Google is a lost cause by now. The only solution is a competitor. DDG is just as bad since they source results from google so that is not the solution.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#16

Isn't this Google's job? Are developers a small but lucrative target and so the suits at Google don't see the benefit of improving that experience by cleaning up the spam? Can we just nudge them to do so under the threat of an influential minority leaving due to their use case being affected?

No, google wants more clicks so they would prefer poor results that keep users searching

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#17

Isn't this Google's job? Are developers a small but lucrative target and so the suits at Google don't see the benefit of improving that experience by cleaning up the spam? Can we just nudge them to do so under the threat of an influential minority leaving due to their use case being affected?

> cleaning up the spam

I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but I think Google is now fully in the 'optimize for engagement' camp. If that's what they're doing, it's by definition not spam (from their point of view) if people are clicking on it more than the non-spam results.

Again, only my guess as to what's going on. I don't see another good explanation for them only serving cloned Stackoverflow and top X lists for basically everything now.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#18
post #6

I think we are attacking the wrong angle here. This should be solved at google

Google has precious little incentive to filter out ad-ridden spam content, given that their entire business model is the very ads these sites are plastered in.

In short, if you find what you are looking for, they get few ad impressions and make less money. Meanwhile, if you have to click through half a dozen spam results first, there are many ad impressions, and they make more money.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

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post #6

I think we are attacking the wrong angle here. This should be solved at google

I imagine that Google's incentive is to first prioritize results that have the most profitable Google Ads on their page, and then for quality of result, not the other way around.

Until that incentive structure changes, Google will not be interested in solving this.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

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post #15
post #6

I think we are attacking the wrong angle here. This should be solved at google

Google is a lost cause by now. The only solution is a competitor. DDG is just as bad since they source results from google so that is not the solution.

ddg sources from bing
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