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Ask HN: What are the challenges of being an immigrant in the US?

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Re: Ask HN: What are the challenges of being an immigrant in the US?

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In my experience (many years on the east coast as an immigrant) I found people very friendly.

I felt like people cared less about where you are from and what you do (blue collar/white collar) compared to my home country.

In some larger cities, specialized blue-collar workers can earn high wages (home-repair type work) due to a shortage of these skills in high cost-of-living areas.

Re: Ask HN: What are the challenges of being an immigrant in the US?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your accent isn’t something you can just avoid.

I think there is subtle racism in the form of romanticizing it when European people speak English with their heavy accent and despising it when an Indian person speaks English with their accent. That's the truth and you always have to work around it.

Ahh, thats not racism, man. Objectivly the fierce staccato of an Indian accent ist less charming to the ear,than lets say a melodic french one. To the Point, I even turn off Tech Talks once I recognize it's an Indian speaker. I can assure this ist no racism, though!

Re: Ask HN: What are the challenges of being an immigrant in the US?

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People can be the biggest challenge. You’ll discover that the further you get from the immigrant friendly areas of the east and west coasts. My advice to newcomers has always been to stick to the interstates while traveling within the US, and general feedback has been they thought I was a loon until they drove down a state highway and got pulled over by the cops six times wanting to know if they were lost, or got stared at constantly by all the rural people who had never seen a non-caucasian in person. The biggest issue is that most Americans can’t distinguish between the different varieties of non-caucasians so regardless of where you are from you’ll get a lot of random flack for stealing people’s jobs or blowing up the World Trade Center. Once while traveling I had a one year old girl refer to my wife as the N word - the parents didn’t cause any problems and they noticeably stuck a bottle in her mouth really quick after she said it, but obviously the girl had been present at enough discussions that she thought that is what non-caucasians were called. I imagine that when not patronizing Arby’s the family must just sit around the TV every night and holler out slurs every time they see a dark skinned person - not sure how else a one year old would pick that up.

Re: Ask HN: What are the challenges of being an immigrant in the US?

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People can be the biggest challenge. You’ll discover that the further you get from the immigrant friendly areas of the east and west coasts. My advice to newcomers has always been to stick to the interstates while traveling within the US, and general feedback has been they thought I was a loon until they drove down a state highway and got pulled over by the cops six times wanting to know if they were lost, or got sta…

this sounds almost like parody. Most immigrants I know had remarkably good experiences in more rural and less cosmopolitan places. Yes, the sort of 'redneck racism' for a lack of a better term exists, but on the other hand people are actually generally curious, kind and if you manage to work your way into a community you'll actually not only accepted but have people to rely on.

I suspect the take comes from a very white collar background. If you're a highly educated immigrant you'll do well in America's coastal states, if you're a blue collar immigrant good luck entering the service class.

And this is actually backed by data. Contrary to self-image major US metropolitan areas are highly segregated, more so than the south, and interestingly enough the mountain west and plains states have the lowest levels of segregation

https://belonging.berkeley.edu/roots-structural-racism

Re: Ask HN: What are the challenges of being an immigrant in the US?

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Credit score. As a foreigner, you won't have one. And can't rent an apartment, buy a car, or get a mortgage. Many companies run a credit check as part of the pre-hire background check. If you are able to befriend a local with good credit and get them to trust you so they're willing to cosign, you can work around this, but it's a barrier that is not to be unaware of. Immigrant communities are built on people that do t…

> Credit score. As a foreigner, you won't have one. And can't rent an apartment, buy a car, or get a mortgage. Many companies run a credit check as part of the pre-hire background check.

I'm curious. Isn't enough to show your latest payroll? Or, if it's is your very first month, your contract stating how much you'll earn. In Europe there are credit rating companies, but relying on payrolls are a thing as well.

Re: Ask HN: What are the challenges of being an immigrant in the US?

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Credit score. As a foreigner, you won't have one. And can't rent an apartment, buy a car, or get a mortgage. Many companies run a credit check as part of the pre-hire background check. If you are able to befriend a local with good credit and get them to trust you so they're willing to cosign, you can work around this, but it's a barrier that is not to be unaware of. Immigrant communities are built on people that do t…

> Credit score. As a foreigner, you won't have one. And can't rent an apartment, buy a car, or get a mortgage. Many companies run a credit check as part of the pre-hire background check. I'm curious. Isn't enough to show your latest payroll? Or, if it's is your very first month, your contract stating how much you'll earn. In Europe there are credit rating companies, but relying on payrolls are a thing as well.

It is perfectly possible to get by without buying into the credit scam. You just have to do things the way they were done 50 years ago: present a recent paycheck, present a current bank statement showing that you have enough in the bank, get an endorsement or cosigner from someone with the monetary means.

Some combinatiom of the above will do and make sure that you are able to speak to a human. Of course, this means that its cpnsoderably more difficult to live outside of your means. It is almost as if systems were set up to encourage people living outside of their means..

Re: Ask HN: What are the challenges of being an immigrant in the US?

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People can be the biggest challenge. You’ll discover that the further you get from the immigrant friendly areas of the east and west coasts. My advice to newcomers has always been to stick to the interstates while traveling within the US, and general feedback has been they thought I was a loon until they drove down a state highway and got pulled over by the cops six times wanting to know if they were lost, or got sta…

The only challenge you describe is your own bigotry. Your stories do not match the experience of any immigrants I know, including my wife. I can’t imagine where in the US you would find “rural people” who have never seen a non-Caucasian. African-Americans and Mexicans have been in this country as long as white people.

One-year-old children don’t form meaningful sentences, not even in rural America where families eat at Arby’s and holler out slurs at the TV.

You can find bigots and racist people everywhere in the world, including among immigrants to America.

Re: Ask HN: What are the challenges of being an immigrant in the US?

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In addition to dealing with the absurd amount of immigration paperwork mentioned in the other comments: the fact that the US doesn’t recognize foreign records for most matters, even when it would be very easy to do so. Foreign driver’s license? In most states there is no way to exchange it directly for a local one like most other countries do, you’ll have to sit the driving test again. This even applies to licenses i…

This works the same in other directions. Try getting a visa, work permit, job, bank account, credit as a foreigner immigrating to anywhere in Europe, or Japan, or almost anywhere else.

Re: Ask HN: What are the challenges of being an immigrant in the US?

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It’s all the paperwork that’s a nightmare. Drivers licenses, USCIS and it’s fucking endless nonsense, infinite paperwork. Just paperwork paperwork paperwork. Massive taxes without any benefit. And most Americans haven’t a clue how much trouble it is. It’s a constant thundercloud in your life. Anyway, Americans are super friendly and very nice. A few among them are very motivated and the country is unbelievably wealth…

Americans don’t have a clue about US immigration paperwork or USCIS because we don’t have to deal with that. You probably don’t know how hard it is to immigrate to your home country either. Having done it both ways in my experience the US bureaucracy was no worse than some other places, and not corrupt like some places. I’ve been asked outright for bribes in SE Asia and Mexico by immigration authorities, something that doesn’t happen in the US or EU.
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