Perhaps you would gain some insight by turning your question on its head: Why haven't you switched companies? What it is about the job market that makes you unwilling to leave your current gig?
I'm with harshalizee. I've got good pay, good benefits, good co-workers, and sane management. Work's a bit boring. But I've been around the block enough times to know that things can get far, far worse, and not much better. So if you want me to move, you'd better have something spectacular. Not just good - I've already got good. And if you think that you have something spectacular... are you over-rating or over-selli…
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#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm with harshalizee. I've got good pay, good benefits, good co-workers, and sane management. Work's a bit boring. But I've been around the block enough times to know that things can get far, far worse, and not much better. So if you want me to move, you'd better have something spectacular. Not just good - I've already got good. And if you think that you have something spectacular... are you over-rating or over-selli…
Did you mean to reply to me?
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#131. Interview processes. Job applications involve a 30 min technical test, and don't even give a thank you. I bet my résumé isn't even read. A lot of people complain about whiteboards, but I've only made it that far once. I've been rejected after interviewers comment on my beard or lack of personality, and yet the same people later commend me on my Facebook or HN posts.
2. Many Asian employers try to pay as little as possible, work you as hard as possible, and maximize office density. The message is you'd have to be stupid to stay.
3. A lot of companies are prestige oriented. This leads to some weird behavior like one office I saw where 1/4 of the office space is Avengers toys and the rest was office space for over a hundred staff.
4. Lack of growth or direction. Perhaps if a company had both of these, it would be a world class company within 5 years. But I'd say 98% of employers lack both. There are sane employers, but the corollary is that you have to be in the top 2% to work there.
Now I'm not saying the above applies to my current employer, in fact they're at the top 20% range. But switching jobs puts me at risk of falling into one of the above traps. I have a lot more control as a freelancer, but freelancing involves a lot of other skills that isn't coding.
Ultimately, I just want to write code for a living, and it's a shame that I probably have to start my own startup to do so.
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#14As a HM, most candidates I see are woefully underqualified. The great ones are beyond my (quite reasonable) budget. And I've seen this on the other side too: recruiters contacting me always want to hire me for mid-sr IC role when I've been managing teams for years.
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#15Hiring Managers are part of the problem-
They are largely divorced from the process of identifying, assessing, and attracting talented individuals.
Instead, they delegate that task to feckless, disinterested HR flunkies. (That’s HR’s job, isn’t it?)
More Hiring Managers need to get out in front of the recruitment process—- actually find and engage in conversation with potential hires.
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#16i looked hardcore for 4 months - for contract or perm, preferably contract. and casually-ish for 2-4 months before that.
turned down one contract (red flag situation), turned down one perm (job was eh, but proved to be another red flag situation), accepted second perm offer because i was completely burned out.
hard to put numbers on it all because i didn't track it -- but i talked to prob 150 companies/recruiters/agencies, sent at least hundreds if not 1,500+ resumes -- maybe 5k, who knows -- many with legit cover letters.
etc. etc.
i've never believed in the industry "we can't find people!" line, and i've seen nothing change - either over the years, or this past year, or past few/couple months.
the industry can't find people to work for free? yeah - that i am willing to believe.
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#17If the interview process weren't so exhausting, then it'd probably be easier to get people to switch jobs. Getting a ton of emails lately, but have zero desire to grind leetcode, do take home tests, and interview with 6+ people when I already have a job.
It helps that my current company is 100% remote and has been for three years now, since they got rid of our office before anyone knew there would be a pandemic.
Also now it's looking like most companies are itching to get people back in the office, and I'm not wanting that, in part since it would likely require me to move since I live outside of Chicago.
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#18> If you are hiring manager, have you felt the burn… Hiring Managers are part of the problem- They are largely divorced from the process of identifying, assessing, and attracting talented individuals. Instead, they delegate that task to feckless, disinterested HR flunkies. (That’s HR’s job, isn’t it?) More Hiring Managers need to get out in front of the recruitment process—- actually find and engage in conversation w…
It is odd to me how rare this is. I source nearly all of my candidates myself, reaching out to people I’ve worked with previously who would be a good fit, or those with specific expertise called out in their profiles, focusing on those marked as “open to work”.
Even with that the response rate is lower than I would like, but I do have a fairly good success rate when people reply and we start a conversation.
I think a lot of hiring managers are just as burned out as candidates. Lot of no-shows for interviews, people accepting exploding offers from other places, tired of dealing with HR policies, etc.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Did you mean to reply to me?
I did, yes. I was noting that I was expressing the same sentiment as someone who was not replying to you, but I figured that the overall thread was small enough that the reference would be fairly plain. I replied to you, though, because I was addressing your question.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
I did, yes. I was noting that I was expressing the same sentiment as someone who was not replying to you, but I figured that the overall thread was small enough that the reference would be fairly plain. I replied to you, though, because I was addressing your question.
My question was for the person who posted the original submission, though.