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Re: Ask HN: How to build a laptop

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Have you tried replacing parts in an existing laptop (the first natural step is replacing ram / HD)? I ask because I realized, only after actually opening up the laptop, that the CPU is soldered onto the MBP. I'm actually not sure how other manufacturers handle CPUs

I haven't done that yet, but I have an old Asus eee lying around, which I might take apart and mess around with.

Re: Ask HN: How to build a laptop

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Have you tried replacing parts in an existing laptop (the first natural step is replacing ram / HD)? I ask because I realized, only after actually opening up the laptop, that the CPU is soldered onto the MBP. I'm actually not sure how other manufacturers handle CPUs

I haven't done that yet, but I have an old Asus eee lying around, which I might take apart and mess around with.

If you can swap parts, you may be able to "build" a new laptop by replacing ram, HD, and cpu. SSDs do wonders (assuming your mobo supports it)

Re: Ask HN: How to build a laptop

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I haven't done that yet, but I have an old Asus eee lying around, which I might take apart and mess around with.

If you can swap parts, you may be able to "build" a new laptop by replacing ram, HD, and cpu. SSDs do wonders (assuming your mobo supports it)

The trouble is that the eee is too small for any real work. I want a full size laptop (at least 13"). I'm just amazed at the contrast between building a laptop and a desktop. People have been building desktops for years, but there just isn't a culture of building laptops from scratch!

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On the Linux on a laptop issue, I'm pretty sure there is an EU Consumer Protection directive that prohibits bundling software with hardware except in cases which are irrelevant to your situation. So you should be able to buy a laptop and then get a refund for the M$ software on it.

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On the Linux on a laptop issue, I'm pretty sure there is an EU Consumer Protection directive that prohibits bundling software with hardware except in cases which are irrelevant to your situation. So you should be able to buy a laptop and then get a refund for the M$ software on it.

Really!? I didn't know about the refund thing. So is it the seller or manufacturer who has to issue the refund?

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On the Linux on a laptop issue, I'm pretty sure there is an EU Consumer Protection directive that prohibits bundling software with hardware except in cases which are irrelevant to your situation. So you should be able to buy a laptop and then get a refund for the M$ software on it.

Really!? I didn't know about the refund thing. So is it the seller or manufacturer who has to issue the refund?

You can certainly get a refund, from the manufacturer.

The legal basis is the Competition Act 1998, Chapter 1, Section 2, Subsection 2, in particular Subsection 2(e): 'make the conclusion of contracts subject to acceptance by the other parties of supplementary obligations which, by their nature or according to commercial usage, have no connection with the subject of such contracts.'

I bought a Samsung laptop and went through the whole process, culminating in the issuance of a Small Claim. When Samsung realised I was serious, they hastily settled - I got back the cost of Windows (full retail price!), plus court costs, and the costs for having to send so many letters...

Using legal process (a Small Claim) is very easy, and nothing to fear - provided you've done the homework. The fact is that these large companies are getting away with illegal practices, but any determined individual can stop them dead. You have rights, so enforce them.

Re: Ask HN: How to build a laptop

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>"There are lots of desktop component suppliers too, but I can't find any for laptops."

There are plenty of suppliers for the modular components of laptops, e.g. RAM and mass storage devices. Even for quasi-modular components such as batteries, there are often several suppliers. But because of the space and performance tradeoffs inherent in laptop design, there is no standard formfactor for the laptop itself.

It might be helpful to consider the interchangeability of modular parts common among desktop systems to be the exception rather than the norm - after all it's not like a person can do that sort of swapping with the typical Mac or thin client.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't done that yet, but I have an old Asus eee lying around, which I might take apart and mess around with.

If you can swap parts, you may be able to "build" a new laptop by replacing ram, HD, and cpu. SSDs do wonders (assuming your mobo supports it)

I second this approach. Instead of building a laptop from scratch, try rebuilding existing laptops. Start with minor upgrades and repairs. Work your way towards major ones, and eventually do a complete tear-down and rebuild.

I suspect this is the way car mechanics learn. There are some further similarities. Like cars, and unlike desktop computers, laptops are heavily constrained by portable form factor concerns (size, thinness, total weight, efficient and safe cooling, low power usage, ruggedness). This wider variety of problems leads to a wider variety of solutions. So like cars, the guts of a laptop can differ wildly, and for learning you're best off picking a "line" that's well-engineered and has been relatively stable over time.

I've been slowly working towards laptop building via re-building existing laptops. Specifically, old IBM T4x Thinkpads, which you can pick up for about $200 these days [1]. There's a wealth of information about how to take them apart and mess with things [2], the user disassembly manuals are excellent [3], and I believe even the more recent T2xx Lenovo line is still pretty similar in terms of components and how they all fit together.

[1] http://www.iobound.net/laptop-prices/

[2] http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki

[3] http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/3...

Re: Ask HN: How to build a laptop

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can swap parts, you may be able to "build" a new laptop by replacing ram, HD, and cpu. SSDs do wonders (assuming your mobo supports it)

I second this approach. Instead of building a laptop from scratch, try rebuilding existing laptops. Start with minor upgrades and repairs. Work your way towards major ones, and eventually do a complete tear-down and rebuild. I suspect this is the way car mechanics learn. There are some further similarities. Like cars, and unlike desktop computers, laptops are heavily constrained by portable form factor concerns (size…

Thanks a lot. That's a really interesting way to go about it, which I hadn't considered very seriously. I will go buy some Thinkpads. I might also experiment with Dell. I've had an inspiron for a few years and like it.

Re: Ask HN: How to build a laptop

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There are a couple of "bare bones" laptop manufacturers that can give you OEM-type empty shells with a mainboard, screen and battery. The only options you have to customize are in the memory, storage, optical bay and operating system. Some might also allow for different processors through a socket (even though for modern systems this will allow you to choose your clock speed mostly). I suggest you look for a distribu…

I'm searching for bare bones laptops but my Google-fu is failing me. Do you know any names of such manufacturers or distributors? Anywhere in the world will do.

R&JTech is one such distributor for Clevo barebones;

http://rjtech.com/shop/index.php

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