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Re: Ask HN: How do I spend less time updating “business logic”?

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Post by mh44 » Mon, Feb 01, 2021, 8:04 PM UTC

giantg2 wrote: post #8

mh44 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Makes sense, that's what I've seen other folks do. I'm curious if you've seen them ask for more features over time, more actions, ability to manage the rules they write - and whether the full blown version of what they need was easy to support?

There's definitely room for growth - when has the business never asked for more haha. It's Agile were I work, so... Generally we deliver the basic UI with functionality to change one field/setting. See how they like it while we start working on the other fields. Assume they want more than they initially ask for because they overlook the details, like audit history and reporting stuff for example. And we obviously bui…

Thanks for sharing your story. Oh man, that sucks! Yeah, it's funny there's things I don't want to build in the first place. And then the moment you build them, you are responsible for making sure they work for the rest of your tenure. Managing downstream dependencies is genuinely hard for so many systems, and is made worse by the lack of visibility and custom code-writing for internal tools.

Re: Ask HN: How do I spend less time updating “business logic”?

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Post by mh44 » Mon, Feb 01, 2021, 8:07 PM UTC

oliverx0 wrote: post #9

Founder of Seliom here. We provide a low-code business workflow automation platform, in which non-technical folks can update business logic quite easily. Happy to give you a demo. Check out our solution at https://www.seliom.com

Thanks! This feels like a Zapier/IFTT? What I've found with those tools is that they help me set up the connections, but I often find myself still unable to pass the "data" responsibility over to the business user.

What are your most commonly supported use case examples?

Re: Ask HN: How do I spend less time updating “business logic”?

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Post by mh44 » Mon, Feb 01, 2021, 8:09 PM UTC

Jugurtha wrote: post #6

Have you explored business rules engines[0] and business rule management systems[1] such as Drools[2][3]? - [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_rules_engine - [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_rule_management_syste... - [2]: https://www.drools.org/ - [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drools

We looked into these, but they honestly seemed like a pain to integrate + getting ops to learn a new DSL would need org changes I can't really influence. Have you used these? Would love to hear more! I'd much rather not build it myself haha

Re: Ask HN: How do I spend less time updating “business logic”?

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Post by giantg2 » Mon, Feb 01, 2021, 11:51 PM UTC

mh44 wrote: post #11

giantg2 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's definitely room for growth - when has the business never asked for more haha. It's Agile were I work, so... Generally we deliver the basic UI with functionality to change one field/setting. See how they like it while we start working on the other fields. Assume they want more than they initially ask for because they overlook the details, like audit history and reporting stuff for example. And we obviously bui…

Thanks for sharing your story. Oh man, that sucks! Yeah, it's funny there's things I don't want to build in the first place. And then the moment you build them, you are responsible for making sure they work for the rest of your tenure. Managing downstream dependencies is genuinely hard for so many systems, and is made worse by the lack of visibility and custom code-writing for internal tools.

I actually would love to own a system. I've done that as an acting tech lead for a year, and then as an ASC for a large application from a security perspective. It seems that the issues in this system are different. I probably should have said no to building it until the other systems fixed their architectures (comingled business and tech data, really?). I don't know. I need a job so I should just keep my mouth shut. I wish I could be the one making those bigger decisions and making lots of money while sucking.

Re: Ask HN: How do I spend less time updating “business logic”?

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Post by Jugurtha » Tue, Feb 02, 2021, 9:09 AM UTC

mh44 wrote: post #13

Jugurtha wrote: post #6

Have you explored business rules engines[0] and business rule management systems[1] such as Drools[2][3]? - [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_rules_engine - [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_rule_management_syste... - [2]: https://www.drools.org/ - [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drools

We looked into these, but they honestly seemed like a pain to integrate + getting ops to learn a new DSL would need org changes I can't really influence. Have you used these? Would love to hear more! I'd much rather not build it myself haha

I see; this wasn't mentioned in your question. This was used on a project I worked to prepare but it was shelved. I didn't use it personally.