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Ask HN: Employees who exersised stock options: how did it go?

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Re: Ask HN: Employees who exersised stock options: how did it go?

#11

Piggy backing here, I exercised options 2 years ago when quitting my job. The company had a down round and I don't believe they have much of a future so I'd like to sell my stock back to the company, the stock at least being worth more now than the $30k I paid on exercise. Has anyone sold stock back to their company? What was the process like?

I tried to once when quitting by asking the CEO. He said the company was not interested. If the company you left don't have a future, chances are they're don't want their stock back. Start by asking if they're interested, then give them a high but fair price.

Re: Ask HN: Employees who exersised stock options: how did it go?

#12
Had a 5% equity stake in a startup that got acquired for ~$20M + earn-out. Actual payout was low due to investor 2x prefs and all kinds of shenanigans, but after earn-out/taxes it was enough to put a down payment on a nice house. Only took around 2.5 years to pay off.

Couldn't 83b at the beginning because I didn't have enough liquid cash, so I ended up paying a lot of taxes in the end. Company could have easily failed / not gotten acquired so I don't blame people who don't exercise early.

Currently have a larger stake in a startup that's dying due to COVID killing their industry, so I'll likely leave with nothing. Womp.

Re: Ask HN: Employees who exersised stock options: how did it go?

#13
I doubt many people lost money. If you're going to lose money, you don't exercise the options.

I had some in-the-money options. I operated on what you might call the principle of least regret. I wanted to get at least something from them, in case it went down. But I wanted to get more if it went up. So I sold part of my options when they were in the money. Then, after it went up some more, I sold some more. Then, after it went up some more, I sold some more. I finally sold it all in about five or six waves.

Could I have had more money if I had waited to sell? Sure... or I could have gotten nothing, if the stock had done something other than what it did.

Re: Ask HN: Employees who exersised stock options: how did it go?

#14
Worked for a startup in 2000 which Sun Microsystems bought. My options get switched to Sun options, and had a strike price higher than the value of the shares. Right before the options were set to expire, I got a call from someone at Solomon Smith Barney (remember that) who was like "I know the answer is no, but do you want to exercise these?" lol

That job, and especially my time at Sun, super kickstarted my career (I really valued my time at Sun), so I wasn't bitter at all.

Re: Ask HN: Employees who exersised stock options: how did it go?

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The problem is that you never know when a liquidity event will happen, and not all outcomes involve you at least breaking even. The company I have my exercised options with hasn’t gotten acquired, hasn’t gone public, it just hobbles along failing to make a profit year after year receiving round after round of funding by investors who just hope to turn the company viable. I was only able to buy a few hundred bucks of…

> They probably only make sense for people working for Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon, and the like.

Having worked at Google, I'm pretty sure that most of us only took stock because that was simply "how it was done"; it saves the company money versus paying you in cash (I guess! not an expert here). There is an infinite amount of paperwork that results from being paid in stock, and while it's obviously worth it for $200,000 a year on top of your base salary and bonus... it is still kind of a hassle. You have to file with the IRS your plan for selling shares (so they know you're not making insider trades), you can only access your money inside trading windows (unless you set up the aforementioned auto-sale or other trading plan), and your taxes become a $700 ordeal with tax professionals every year. Honestly, I just did my taxes myself and I messed them up one year. It takes the IRS 3 or so years to notice, and then one day you have a sternly-worded letter from the government demanding $60,000 immediately because your brokerage sent the IRS incorrect paperwork. Then you pay someone to fix that, then your state says "whoa, the IRS just got $60,000 from you! we want our cut!" and then you say "no no, those papers I mailed you a year ago show that they were wrong", then you wait a year... and get a $30 check in the mail because it turns out they owe YOU money. It's a big pain. My TL;DR is you don't know how much you owe, the government doesn't know how much you owe, and you will have to pay someone to take a guess that the IRS agrees with, and hope they agree. If they don't, be ready to pay even more money to persuade them that they are wrong.

I miss the days where I got a W-2 and filed a 1040EZ. It's ultimately worth it to take the stock, of course, but it's kind of a hassle. My advice is to find an accountant your first year at a FAANG and let them handle everything. Don't do it yourself.

Re: Ask HN: Employees who exersised stock options: how did it go?

#16
I got compensated for my unvested options at an acquisition, with a mix of cash and stock of the acquiring company. I was paid a fair salary (initially, at least) and did not have to buy any shares, so I kind of earned extra 30 k€ (before taxes) without any investment besides working full time. I ended up owning the smallish amount of the acquirer's shares for 3,5 years and their value raised 50% during that time, profiting 1500 € more.

The acquiring company, a listed one, had an options programme I left before vesting due to bad working conditions and some lack of vision. Shortly after I sold my first batch of stocks, the stock price crashed, and my options would be worthless now if I had decided to stick with the company. Some of my colleagues are still suffering there and the total price of their vested options has stayed below 500 € all the time.

Re: Ask HN: Employees who exersised stock options: how did it go?

#17

Worked for a startup in 2000 which Sun Microsystems bought. My options get switched to Sun options, and had a strike price higher than the value of the shares. Right before the options were set to expire, I got a call from someone at Solomon Smith Barney (remember that) who was like "I know the answer is no, but do you want to exercise these?" lol That job, and especially my time at Sun, super kickstarted my career (…

pardon my ignorance, but what exactly does exercising stock options mean?

Re: Ask HN: Employees who exersised stock options: how did it go?

#18

Worked at a company almost 2 years, exercised my stock options (only $2k, it was my 2nd junior position and I didn't negotiate for equity at all). 4 years later I have no idea how much they're worth, if they even still exist, or if there's been any liquidity event. If I had to guess based on the company's revenue, they're probably worth about 4x what they were when I exercised, but I'm planning on holding off on tryi…

what exactly does equity mean in this context?

Re: Ask HN: Employees who exersised stock options: how did it go?

#19
Bought $10K of options before I quit. 20 years later the company has gone public and has a market cap of several billion.

My options? "Extinguished" in some "event" 18 years ago. My guess is that's the event where they screwed as many employees as they could.

Re: Ask HN: Employees who exersised stock options: how did it go?

#20

Worked for a startup in 2000 which Sun Microsystems bought. My options get switched to Sun options, and had a strike price higher than the value of the shares. Right before the options were set to expire, I got a call from someone at Solomon Smith Barney (remember that) who was like "I know the answer is no, but do you want to exercise these?" lol That job, and especially my time at Sun, super kickstarted my career (…

pardon my ignorance, but what exactly does exercising stock options mean?

A stock option is an agreement for the right to buy a stock at a particular price. When you exercise the option, you take them up on that agreement and actually exchange the dollars for the stock.
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