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Ask HN: Can the ARM Macs/PCs end the web as we know it?

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Re: Ask HN: Can the ARM Macs/PCs end the web as we know it?

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Post by blueflame7 »

silly-silly wrote: post #9
coldtea wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a non issue in modern mobile phones (which people use more than desktops/laptops these days).

[citation needed] My mum wont install an app unless she has to. In my eyes this has failed the grandmother test.

Same for the CEO of my company. Each additional app is a potential security risk they want to minimize. Web browsers they don’t seem to understand the risks as well. They think of webpages as being a potential attacker on the street that they can just avoid where as an app is a potential burglar of their home with their prized possessions

Re: Ask HN: Can the ARM Macs/PCs end the web as we know it?

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Post by postalrat »

cnasc wrote: post #5
mikece wrote: post #2

“Always bet on the web.” PWA trumps mobile apps — until or unless it can be articulated why a PWA/hybrid app won’t work, but that is the small minority of app cases.

Apple hobbles PWAs on iOS, so unless app creators want to ignore the most profitable segment of the mobile marketplace PWAs aren’t a solution

It's true that apple hobbles PWAs on their mobile devices. But not everyone uses those devices and most apps don't make money off the initial purchase.

Re: Ask HN: Can the ARM Macs/PCs end the web as we know it?

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Post by _carbyau_ »

coldtea wrote: post #7
blueflame7 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because then you don't have to download and install an app

That's a non issue in modern mobile phones (which people use more than desktops/laptops these days).

Not an issue to do and hence not an issue for public at large. But apps come with plenty of their own issues which is gaining public recognition. It is early days yet though.

Personally:

- I find it odd to need an app for a service entirely reliant on off-phone data.

- I like my phone battery life. I avoid apps if I can help it. Web page links all over my home screen.

Re: Ask HN: Can the ARM Macs/PCs end the web as we know it?

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Post by leoh »

bryik wrote: post #12

So the choice would be: build an Android app and an iOS app, or build a web app? Eh, I'd rather build a web app.

lol — have you tried to engage, in a serious way, with the JavaScript ecosystem? It is a _dumpster fire_ to produce anything that is reasonably as interactive and complex as an iOS Application.

I do agree, however, with the idea that some things ought _not_ be apps, especially things that are dead simple, for which it _truly is_ easier to develop a web application.

Re: Ask HN: Can the ARM Macs/PCs end the web as we know it?

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Post by emteycz »

leoh wrote: post #16
bryik wrote: post #12

So the choice would be: build an Android app and an iOS app, or build a web app? Eh, I'd rather build a web app.

lol — have you tried to engage, in a serious way, with the JavaScript ecosystem? It is a _dumpster fire_ to produce anything that is reasonably as interactive and complex as an iOS Application. I do agree, however, with the idea that some things ought _not_ be apps, especially things that are dead simple, for which it _truly is_ easier to develop a web application.

Lol, seems like you haven't tried to engage with the web ecosystem in a serious way. Web apps with TypeScript and React/Vue/Svelte are the easiest, most productive way of making software that runs immediately anywhere, and the ecosystem has everything (don't forget about Wasm).

SwiftUI is nice, but needs a lot more years until it reaches the level of React.

Android libs are a joke.

(I write enterprise React applications last 6 years, and used to work with WinForms before that.)

Re: Ask HN: Can the ARM Macs/PCs end the web as we know it?

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Post by tdeck »

mikece wrote: post #2

“Always bet on the web.” PWA trumps mobile apps — until or unless it can be articulated why a PWA/hybrid app won’t work, but that is the small minority of app cases.

Unfortunately PWA seems to have almost no adoption at all. I'm not sure why that is. Native features missing? Developers want to fingerprint you? Distribution mechanisms insufficient? All I know is PWA seems to have stalled.

Re: Ask HN: Can the ARM Macs/PCs end the web as we know it?

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Post by 4778468d »

No.

ARM has a huge problem with compatibility and secrecy.

Buy a random intel machine .... will it run Windows and Linux? YES.

Buy a random ARM device..,, will it run Linux? Maybe, probably not, even if it does, probably there’s problems and issues caused by the CPU vendor keeping aspects of its design secret.

ARM is a very very long way from replacing Intel.

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