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Ask HN: What are other career options as a CS major?

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Re: Ask HN: What are other career options as a CS major?

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Hey, I was in a similar spot when I was graduating. I honestly took a year off to just teach math to kids and work at the mall. Same story, quant finance. Math background. Didn't go anywhere with that immediately. Here's what I wish I'd done. Take the minimum amount of steps it requires to go to grad school or line up a quantitative finance job. Even if you don't care about those possible paths, you have the privileg…

> As [one] math major to another, there are interesting problems everywhere and literally all people are interesting and full of problems.

Add me to that list as well. I originally started graduate school with dreams of moving to California and working for a FAANG company. Early in the program I got a graduate assistantship that basically partnered with a large company to be a half-time intern. I didn't really see myself working at long term.

Over the last five years, I've come to appreciate the fact that I'm not using my knowledge of statistics to keep people addicted to their phones or serve ads. I just took a full-time position there while I finish the tail end of my PhD.

Everyone has an interesting problem to solve. It's just not everyone is slamming down their "achievements" down your throat trying to recruit.

Re: Ask HN: What are other career options as a CS major?

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I work as a quant trader and come from a software engineering background. Why don't you apply for jobs as an analyst in sales and trading? After a couple years, get an MBA or MFE or even try a PhD and move into a more quantitative trading/research role. I think quantitative finance would be perfect for you. I know I wouldn't be able to stand doing anything else. Pay is awesome, problems are incredibly interesting, an…

For the trading jobs, would I need experience in trading particularly. Also, for these jobs in general do side projects and the like matter a lot (like they do for SWE)? Thanks sm btw!

Re: Ask HN: What are other career options as a CS major?

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Literally anything. By completing a degree, you will have demonstrated that you A) have a well-rounded education (thank you, general studies requirements!), B) have the ability to learn and apply critical thinking skills, and C) can stick with a project or program for 4+ years. That's fantastic right out of the box!

Almost any white-collar job will have "a Bachelors degree" as a minimum requirement. Check! You're already halfway there.

As for jobs and career paths, the truth of the matter is that 95% (or more!) of what you need to know on the job is something that you will learn on the job. In other words, if you have the capacity to learn and grow, you can and will excel in any field that you put effort into. Thinking about going into bioinformatics? Well, your computer knowledge will contribute and your math background will help, but most of the day-to-day work you can and will learn on the job. What about actuarial work? Once again your math and computer knowledge can come into play. In fact, your CS degree will help you with automating any digital aspect of any job. What about a salesperson? You're good with numbers, you're good with logic, and if you can learn a new programming language, you can learn anything. You'll be fine.

You get the point.

Me? My degree is in Theatre, and I'm a Director of Engineering for a pretty large company. I've been working professionally in the tech industry for 15 years.

The critical thing to do is to look at your degree and ask yourself: What qualities do I have and what skills have I learned that are broadly transferable to any industry?

For example, in Theater, I was an actor and a director. What are actors required to do?

- Show up on time

- Work independently

- Work as a group!

- Take constructive criticism and direction

- Memorize vast amounts of material in a short period of time

- Be comfortable speaking in public

- Be a good communicator

- Be empathetic and able to put oneself into someone else's shoes

- Be able to meet deadlines -- the show must go on!

- Be adaptive and able to tackle a wide range of problems, from flaking paint on a set to a broken costume to disruptions in the audience to poor ticket sales

- Be comfortable doing the same thing over and over for a long period of time (shows don't run just once!)

I could go on... but consider this: any employer in any industry would wet their pants if a candidate walked in and could demonstrate those qualities right off the bat, right?

How many people are geniuses at C++ but can't work with a group or take criticism or give a presentation on their work? Fat lotta good that C++ is doing when management is spending all their time putting out fires that this problem employee creates because they can't follow rules!

That whole day-to-day thing? You'll learn that on the job. We all do that, anyway. I've been working professionally in tech for 15 years, and I've never yet had a job where I didn't spend the first month trying to figure out the company's tech stack, administrative processes, people dynamics, and more. It's just how the world works.

So don't think of your degree as a finalized career option. Think of it as a ticket to an interview, as physical proof that you CAN learn and you CAN complete a project and you ARE someone that can do the job -- any job.

Good luck.

Re: Ask HN: What are other career options as a CS major?

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post #7

I work as a quant trader and come from a software engineering background. Why don't you apply for jobs as an analyst in sales and trading? After a couple years, get an MBA or MFE or even try a PhD and move into a more quantitative trading/research role. I think quantitative finance would be perfect for you. I know I wouldn't be able to stand doing anything else. Pay is awesome, problems are incredibly interesting, an…

For the trading jobs, would I need experience in trading particularly. Also, for these jobs in general do side projects and the like matter a lot (like they do for SWE)? Thanks sm btw!

Unless you do something really amazing, they will judge you on your school and grades. When you're older, it's different of course.

You can't really get any real trading experience unless you work as an instiutional trader, so no, you don't need to have traded.

You also don't need to know anything about finance, though it helps. With a math+CS degree from a top school, I wouldn't imagine you have trouble getting a S&T offer at a bank (maybe not a specific bank like Goldman tho).

The other path you could take is to go straight to the buy-side: prop shop, hedge fund, etc. These jobs are significantly harder to get.

The money won't be as good at the sellside, but it's a lot less risky. Also having a big bank on your resume never hurts. Probably the most common career path is:

summer bank internship -> 2 year analyst stint -> mba/mfe/PhD -> associate role at bank or buy-side fund

Re: Ask HN: What are other career options as a CS major?

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There can be quite interesting work involving modelling and optimising decisions that organisations are making -- e.g. helping to understand and improving the efficiency or profitability of some manufacturing process, or logistics.

One possible entry point into this kind of work could be to find some consultancy that specialises in this kind of work that's willing to hire a grad with solid comp science & coding & mathematics foundations. You're certain to get worked hard and billed out to clients for a lot more than what you get paid, but it can be a great environment for learning rapidly and also getting real world exposure to seeing how general math & computer science & optimisation techniques can be combined and fruitfully applied to some particular industry or business niche. Early in your career it is a lot easier to do something for a year or two and decide it isn't for you, and try something else -- or decide that it's a good fit and that you want to keep pursuing it in industry or pursue further studies to go into more depth about an area you didn't realise you were excited about.

I've found the work most engaging in my career where there's a combination of learning about and understanding some particular industry and then combining that with software development and mathematical modelling/optimisation techniques and then seeing the real world industry-specific results --- but it's hard to know what opportunities in specific real world industries exist and if you would enjoy them without being immersed in it.

Re: Ask HN: What are other career options as a CS major?

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If you want to try something that is the exact opposite of CS, you could look into sales or recruiting. If you do something like go to work for a SaaS company, having a foundation for understanding the company’s product line makes a for compelling addition to your application. You can make a ton of money on if you’re any good at it, too.

Re: Ask HN: What are other career options as a CS major?

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It looks like the answer is in the question; you want to be an entrepreneur. It is very realistic for most people, though also probably _very_ difficult. For you, my guess is it is more than just "realistic", it's what you're going to do. But it's still very difficult. As for resources, http://theleanstartup.com is a great one. This method is all about getting something (valuable) into users' hands ASAP so that they…

Just remember, you are not a startup when you order business cards and get an EIN, you are a startup when you have paying customers

Re: Ask HN: What are other career options as a CS major?

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I am full stack engineer at a medium company. This week I wrote few lines of code. I am solving business problems and that interests me. I am starting a business to do just that. Go into a company with outdated software, deliver some custom solutions for them or help them migrate to a new software. Explain possibilities and improve efficiency of their workers. Nothing ground breaking really, many smaller or medium companies do not have the staff to help them navigate all the options. Plus, I'm not scared of reading an app where most of the code is in main and applying basic programming principles to improve and move it to a newer language/framework. lol.

There is a lot of odd jobs that you can do as a CS major. As programmers often can solve inefficiency if they can study a process.

Re: Ask HN: What are other career options as a CS major?

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As a fellow CS major: Try looking at Graduate Research Engineer positions in an area that interests you. Machine learning, computer vision, etc. These usually require quite a bit of creativity and a good understanding of math to solve problems. It's also low stress because working in research means you don't have to deal with customers directly. Also, the software you write can usually be research prototype quality and not production quality.

Re: Ask HN: What are other career options as a CS major?

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There exist software jobs that fall under the "tool to solve problems" bucket and require you to think in a very product and business-minded way. I currently work as an engineer for a company like that, where engineering and product work very closely together. As engineers we're expected to understand the business context behind everything we're asked to build and we'll often make suggestions or optimizations beyond what product suggested because we know the tech and the software well.

My point isn't to try to force you to be an engineer or something - I have no skin in this game. Just saying that you may be able to find what you're looking for before putting the software industry as a whole aside.

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