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Re: Ask HN: Help. Covid case at work; remote work is being denied. EU region.

#11

Start coughing up the hierarchy. Once you cough on someone high enough I suspect the situation will solve itself. edit: Turning this approach 180 degrees, have the employees ask the people with power to change the policy what do they think the legal liability is in the case any of the employees or any of their family members dies?

(While I think this is hilarious) I would advise against this as, by doing it intentionally, you may be breaking the law (hard to know for sure as laws differ between EU countries).

Re: Ask HN: Help. Covid case at work; remote work is being denied. EU region.

#12
post #11

Start coughing up the hierarchy. Once you cough on someone high enough I suspect the situation will solve itself. edit: Turning this approach 180 degrees, have the employees ask the people with power to change the policy what do they think the legal liability is in the case any of the employees or any of their family members dies?

(While I think this is hilarious) I would advise against this as, by doing it intentionally, you may be breaking the law (hard to know for sure as laws differ between EU countries).

Yes, not something you should do on purpose.

However, that's still going to happen. Once someone high enough gets sick all of a sudden the company will start caring about their employees.

Once the situation clears, I would encourage everyone at this company to quit and find somewhere else to work.

Re: Ask HN: Help. Covid case at work; remote work is being denied. EU region.

#13
I finally got my user off the shadow ban. It is a throw-away account. Thank you Daniel!

I realize this is a low-signal post, but I'm still here, unable to sleep, feeling utterly disrespected as a cysec professional.

A few days ago I was a valued member of the team, now upper management is using fear and intimidation to keep a semblance of normality for as long as possible: You want to go home? We won't have you back. I would walk away gladly if I could do it without affecting my team and my employer.

We have all the conditions required for secure remote work, in fact it would be a tighter environment in many ways. Apparently it's too difficult to manage the outsourced resources.

This is why we need the state of emergency declared. To keep people like those from putting more people are risk.

Is there anyone else going through something like this?

Re: Ask HN: Help. Covid case at work; remote work is being denied. EU region.

#15

Start coughing up the hierarchy. Once you cough on someone high enough I suspect the situation will solve itself. edit: Turning this approach 180 degrees, have the employees ask the people with power to change the policy what do they think the legal liability is in the case any of the employees or any of their family members dies?

This is a big electronics company. Those in charge are most probably shut off in country-side mansions.

Re: Ask HN: Help. Covid case at work; remote work is being denied. EU region.

#16

Start coughing up the hierarchy. Once you cough on someone high enough I suspect the situation will solve itself. edit: Turning this approach 180 degrees, have the employees ask the people with power to change the policy what do they think the legal liability is in the case any of the employees or any of their family members dies?

This will do.

Re: Ask HN: Help. Covid case at work; remote work is being denied. EU region.

#17

Start coughing up the hierarchy. Once you cough on someone high enough I suspect the situation will solve itself. edit: Turning this approach 180 degrees, have the employees ask the people with power to change the policy what do they think the legal liability is in the case any of the employees or any of their family members dies?

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Re: Ask HN: Help. Covid case at work; remote work is being denied. EU region.

#18
post #3

If you're not allowed to work from home, stop working. Contact your doctor and request relevant paperwork to stop work and go into isolation. (if this is possible in your country - depending on the country, "I've been in contact with a case" may be enough) But also keep in mind that unless you hear a real confirmation, the case you know may actually be a third-party rumor, so... don't panic yet.

Don't panic, but yeah, you've been exposed if you're still in an office at this point.

Re: Ask HN: Help. Covid case at work; remote work is being denied. EU region.

#19
"a very credible and personally-detailed report" isn't a medical test. Don't panic, but that doesn't make you safe.

Anecdotally, a lot of people have started coughing around me (in Auckland) since Friday. At work, with the homestay family, at church, on the bus - every group had at least one person with a dry cough. "No fever, so the doctors said it's OK."

Unfortunately, tests here in New Zealand cost 3000 NZD, and only people who have travelled recently AND show symptoms are allowed to be tested. Even then it takes hours on the phone to a helpline to join the queue. So far only about 500 people have been tested.

I found an old N95 mask in the bottom of my bag that I used for air pollution in Taiwan. I've been wearing it in public since yesterday, and in the office today. I've been going for walks down by the river to get lots of fresh air, and sunbathing to get more UV. I bought 4 bottles of tonic water today, to share with all these people around. (Yes, I know the quinine concentration is too low to matter, but things like masks are sold out and the US/Europe need them more... I feel like I have to try something).

My symptoms are barely noticeable (is that joint pain or RSI? shortness of breath or am I panicking?), but only when I started wearing a mask did other people take it seriously. The recorded cases in the country just jumped from 6 to 12 to 20 in the last few days. Exaggerate your own symptoms if you have to, instead of blaming someone else, and ask for personal permission to take sick leave. Take a week off for your wee cough.

We've just been granted permission to work from home until the end of the week. Perhaps it'll be longer.

Wash your hands, get a mask and wear it, drink tonic water and share it with everyone, try to take sick leave.

I would love to see a web app where anecdata like this could be shared on a map (checkboxes of symptoms, severity, locations, number of people in groups).

Re: Ask HN: Help. Covid case at work; remote work is being denied. EU region.

#20
post #11

Start coughing up the hierarchy. Once you cough on someone high enough I suspect the situation will solve itself. edit: Turning this approach 180 degrees, have the employees ask the people with power to change the policy what do they think the legal liability is in the case any of the employees or any of their family members dies?

(While I think this is hilarious) I would advise against this as, by doing it intentionally, you may be breaking the law (hard to know for sure as laws differ between EU countries).

It would be pretty hard to prove somebody coughed deliberately (unless they talked about their plan online first...)
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