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Ask HN: Shouldn't web browsers ask us before storing cookies?

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Re: Ask HN: Shouldn't web browsers ask us before storing cookies?

#11
Note that the GDPR isn’t just about cookies, it’s about all collection of personalized information, in any form. It also outlines plenty of scenarios that don’t require a separate permission request beyond simply doing business with a company.

We’re only in the midgame of this particular regulation— the rules changed “suddenly” and specified outcomes rather than methods. Regulators and businesses are in the messy stage of negotiating best practices as businesses change as little as possible and regulators give fines for misconduct.

The hope is twofold: that enough users will opt out to make problematic business models less profitable, and that the lower user friction of models that don’t require tracking will become relatively more successful. Neither of these goals is served by allowing a blanket permission setting.

Re: Ask HN: Shouldn't web browsers ask us before storing cookies?

#12
I'd like to point out that GDPR compliant sites don't need to ask permission for strictly necessary cookies.

I also recommend using Cookie AutoDelete for Chrome [0] or Firefox [1]. You can define a whitelist of websites where you actually need Cookies (because you want to stay logged in), and the rest will be forgotten when you close the tab. It even allows different rules in Firefox Containers.

0: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cookie-autodelete/...

1: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cookie-autode...

Re: Ask HN: Shouldn't web browsers ask us before storing cookies?

#13
The GDPR consent prompts are less about technicalities (are you using cookies or local storage) and more about giving the side permission to stalk you no matter what method they use.

The real problem here is the lack of enforcement of the regulations. The majority of GDPR consent prompts are obnoxious because they aren't actually compliant - compliant ones are much more pleasant. See this comment I just posted on another GDPR thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21429666

Finally there's this misconception (it could be a lie perpetuated by companies looking to profit from GDPR-related consulting, or those looking to push back on the regulation by making it seem more annoying than it actually is) that all cookies require consent. That is blatantly false. Cookies to store site preferences (like language, font size), shopping carts or login sessions don't require consent as they're necessary for the functionality you're trying to use.

Re: Ask HN: Shouldn't web browsers ask us before storing cookies?

#15
As I remember it, this was an option you could enable in Netscape Navigator back in the dialup days. In practice it meant that every time you went to a new website you'd have to click ok on a dozen popup menus asking for permission to store each individual cookie before the page would load. I'm sure there are ways to make that process go a little more smoothly but in practice it's still probably something that most users would immediately turn right off.

Re: Ask HN: Shouldn't web browsers ask us before storing cookies?

#16
I agree that "this law is hurting the web" but I don't see how shifting that from the website to the application is going to solve the root issue. Prompts like these are annoying speed bumps that I have a hard time believing are in anyway effective -- paranoid people already deeply evaluate the software and services they use whereas the casual user is likely to just to "yah yah, get this out of my face" click it.

Re: Ask HN: Shouldn't web browsers ask us before storing cookies?

#18

As I remember it, this was an option you could enable in Netscape Navigator back in the dialup days. In practice it meant that every time you went to a new website you'd have to click ok on a dozen popup menus asking for permission to store each individual cookie before the page would load. I'm sure there are ways to make that process go a little more smoothly but in practice it's still probably something that most u…

Oh my god, you just triggered some horrifying memories of that popup.

No, you definitely don't want the web browser to ask.

Re: Ask HN: Shouldn't web browsers ask us before storing cookies?

#19

The GDPR consent prompts are less about technicalities (are you using cookies or local storage) and more about giving the side permission to stalk you no matter what method they use. The real problem here is the lack of enforcement of the regulations. The majority of GDPR consent prompts are obnoxious because they aren't actually compliant - compliant ones are much more pleasant. See this comment I just posted on ano…

I honestly can’t figure out how these popups became so prevalent. They’re so obviously not compliant not just with the fine print of GDPR but with its spirit.

Even if you’re completely cynical about being compliant with GDPR I would imagine that not having popups like that at all is more compliant or less likely to get you in trouble than having those flagrantly-non-compliant ones...

Re: Ask HN: Shouldn't web browsers ask us before storing cookies?

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post #12

I'd like to point out that GDPR compliant sites don't need to ask permission for strictly necessary cookies. I also recommend using Cookie AutoDelete for Chrome [0] or Firefox [1]. You can define a whitelist of websites where you actually need Cookies (because you want to stay logged in), and the rest will be forgotten when you close the tab. It even allows different rules in Firefox Containers. 0: https://chrome.goo…

> I'd like to point out that GDPR compliant sites don't need to ask permission for strictly necessary cookies.

That's also my interpretation. If you use cookies for session state, authorization, then it's no problem.

The problem is that every website decided that they needed to track users. Or that asking for permission would minimize liability.

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