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Ask HN: Can we build Ironman's Jarvis with 2019 tech?

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Re: Ask HN: Can we build Ironman's Jarvis with 2019 tech?

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post #4

If we could, we would have. But we haven't, so we can't.

It has to have a usage though. We ran a long proof of concept on voice recognition as in voice-to-text, for office workers and had good results once the software learned to recognise correctly.

I think the best cases were 20-30% increased productivity for a single worker, but it was ultimately useless because we use open offices, so the project got scrapped.

Re: Ask HN: Can we build Ironman's Jarvis with 2019 tech?

#12
post #3

You could probably get 90% of the utility with a janky collection of shell scripts fronted by a voice recognition engine. Think Alexa/Google Assistant/Siri/etc with a bunch of company- or task- specific scripts. I purposefully ignore the robot-arm in an open universe capability, because that's still too far away, AFAIK. Jarvis in the movie was Hollywood smooth: made to look great in a movie. Even the goofs were great…

There's also the the voice-controlled CAD ("throw in a little hot rod red in there").

Re: Ask HN: Can we build Ironman's Jarvis with 2019 tech?

#13
post #2

Siri is still half deaf and tries to send me to the chip shop when I ask it to send a message and they have a ridiculous amount of budget behind that so probably not. At the moment our technology is like Zorg’s desk in Fifth Element. Stuffed full of toys but ultimately will let you down too often to be relied upon.

"like Zorg’s desk in Fifth Element"... What a great analogy!

For those that don't know the reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krcNIWPkNzA

(I think this is my favorite Gary Oldman character.)

Re: Ask HN: Can we build Ironman's Jarvis with 2019 tech?

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post #9
post #3

You could probably get 90% of the utility with a janky collection of shell scripts fronted by a voice recognition engine. Think Alexa/Google Assistant/Siri/etc with a bunch of company- or task- specific scripts. I purposefully ignore the robot-arm in an open universe capability, because that's still too far away, AFAIK. Jarvis in the movie was Hollywood smooth: made to look great in a movie. Even the goofs were great…

I completely agree. A friend once said all we need is 'the sinew between the questions'. Connecting them (contexts, intents, etc) and making it close to 1.0 probability on decisions through the entire conversation. I think the 'marble rock' of Jarvis is there already, and with ML/AI we can likely make it 'David-shaped' but the refinement, 'warmth' and complexity of Jarvis is man-hours that would likely be better spen…

I'm not sure I get your references (marble rock, David-shaped).

Re: Ask HN: Can we build Ironman's Jarvis with 2019 tech?

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I'm pretty much doing that very thing. I'm quadriplegic, so every single action I want to take in the world has to be mediated through a third party. That said party is anything from another person to one of the digital assistants.

As another poster mentioned I think, I control pretty much everything in my house including but not limited to unlocking doors, windows, climate control, the lights, posting to Twitter and on and on and on with a cobbled together solution of many different components from different companies.

It's done with a combination of all three of the digital assistants, various scripts and the very wonderful Home Assistant[^1] mostly gluing it altogether. It is by no means a single complete solution, but when I'm controlling the house using just my voice and somebody sees me doing it they react as though I'm some sort of dark wizard.

I love having an automated house and I think Home Assistant is probably one of the best solutions for making all of the different IoT devices communicate at the moment, I think the further down this road we go the more a single solution will probably evolve.

I would have to say though that the home automation stuff that enables me to call for help in an emergency is the most important thing that it does, I can flash the lights different colours when I need help depending on the level of assistance I need. Or if my Fitbit notices that my heart rate has gone below 40 BPM for more than 10 seconds I get a notification, as it is almost indicative of an attack of Autonomic Dysreflexia. I can honestly say that this home automation system has actually saved my life without an ounce of hyperbole.

[^1]: https://Home-assistant.io/

Re: Ask HN: Can we build Ironman's Jarvis with 2019 tech?

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post #4

If we could, we would have. But we haven't, so we can't.

Without context, this statement means nothing new should ever be done. It's a terrible axiom. Even within the context of this question, if we used this reasoning for the next 500 years we would surely never solve it.

Re: Ask HN: Can we build Ironman's Jarvis with 2019 tech?

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post #15
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I completely agree. A friend once said all we need is 'the sinew between the questions'. Connecting them (contexts, intents, etc) and making it close to 1.0 probability on decisions through the entire conversation. I think the 'marble rock' of Jarvis is there already, and with ML/AI we can likely make it 'David-shaped' but the refinement, 'warmth' and complexity of Jarvis is man-hours that would likely be better spen…

I'm not sure I get your references (marble rock, David-shaped).

It's a reference to Michelangelo's David and this:

Every block of stone has a statue inside it and it is the task of the sculptor to reveal it.

Re: Ask HN: Can we build Ironman's Jarvis with 2019 tech?

#19

I'm pretty much doing that very thing. I'm quadriplegic, so every single action I want to take in the world has to be mediated through a third party. That said party is anything from another person to one of the digital assistants. As another poster mentioned I think, I control pretty much everything in my house including but not limited to unlocking doors, windows, climate control, the lights, posting to Twitter and…

Sounds very cool! What are you using for sensors and physical hardware? I mean light switches, temperature control etc - I browsed the home assistant site but didn't really come out with an understanding of what hardware the system can communicate with to, say, turn off a lightbulb.

Re: Ask HN: Can we build Ironman's Jarvis with 2019 tech?

#20
I think before we talk about capabilities we should talk about UX.

Even the first version of Jarvis shown in Iron Man 1 was way ahead in terms of understanding speech and context compared to the cutting edge we have now that is Google Assistant.

At least Google Duplex sounds super natural now. I think when digital assistants can really understand us, adding all those capabilities is just a piece of cake. But I have a feeling we are just probably at most a decade away from something that vaguely resembles that, and I'm super excited about it.

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