I tend towards the view that this book is accurate, simply because I read a lot. When you read explorers accounts hundreds of years ago you have sea and land teeming with life and biodiversity. Now, when you watch a reality TV show like 'Naked and Afraid', there is very little to no wild animal life, the show should be called show up and starve.
Ask HN: Are there too many people in the world?
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Re: Ask HN: Are there too many people in the world?
#12No, there are just too many with a lifestyle way too consumeristic. Eliminating the western lifestyle, especially the American one should be enough.
Re: Ask HN: Are there too many people in the world?
#13For example, we can trade labor for money and money for wood. So we create great logging corporations who try to chop down as much wood as possible. At some point, the demand for wood drops, so we start creating more wooden products, marketing toothpicks, or selling cheaper cardboard boxes. Later on, some meal box startup decides that the price of cardboard boxes is so low that they can send a meal box every day.
Housing prices have not 'gone up'. In fact they get a little cheaper as people have better house building tools, and the raw material costs are about the same. But the average person produces less average value, and struggles to produce enough value to trade for a house.
Maybe a big part of this is that all this automation technology really has made people less useful. Inflation and overhiring masks the fact.
Re: Ask HN: Are there too many people in the world?
#14My thinking is that history has shown that when humans exacerbate resources they shrink back/go away (ghost towns, abandonded civilizations, etc.).
Re: Ask HN: Are there too many people in the world?
#15That is probably the wrong angle to look at it. It's more that individual humans are contributing less, and they cause too much harm. For example, we can trade labor for money and money for wood. So we create great logging corporations who try to chop down as much wood as possible. At some point, the demand for wood drops, so we start creating more wooden products, marketing toothpicks, or selling cheaper cardboard b…
Re: Ask HN: Are there too many people in the world?
#16No, there are just too many with a lifestyle way too consumeristic. Eliminating the western lifestyle, especially the American one should be enough.
I don't want to live in a tiny apartment. I want to live in a big house with a garage so I can start companies like Jeff Bezos.
Re: Ask HN: Are there too many people in the world?
#17It postulates, that if everybody would consume/travel, we would need two more earths to sustain that.
On the other hand, I heard that most of the big population bump were families still used to having 5+ children, because most wouldn't survive childhood, but medicine being just good enough to save them all. We no longer should have bumps of billion per decade as in the beginning of 20ct.
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#19Strangely enough, it's still surprisingly popular.
Groups like the Club of Rome and reports such as "The Limits to Growth" often don't state so explicitly but when you assert that artificial limits should be imposed on economic growth you're basically making a decision about which human beings get to be born in the future.
In my opinion that's a both patronising as well as deeply anti-humanistic notion that doesn't take into account that there have always been and - extrapolating from the past - likely will still be paradigm shifts in the future which will allow us to make both more efficient use of existing resources and to discover new types of resources or new avenues for extracting existing ones.
Re: Ask HN: Are there too many people in the world?
#20No, there are just too many with a lifestyle way too consumeristic. Eliminating the western lifestyle, especially the American one should be enough.
So we need to put more effort into building effective mass transportation to help the populace achieve this goal right? I mean I agree, I visited London and want the US to have an equivalent mass transit system, in most of the US you cannot find work if you don't have a car. These are hard things to modify at the individual level though.
- plastic wrapping on goods - frequent replacement of electronic devices - rapidly changing wardrobe - waste inherent in eating out - large quantity of meat in diet
The western lifestyle is far more expensive than, say, African or central Asian lifestyles. We consume far more than other cultures.
Improving mass transit would certainly help, but the crux of the issue is that it's a culture issue.