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Ask HN: How can I make the most out of high school?

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Re: Ask HN: How can I make the most out of high school?

#11
> Is it normal that I don't have close friends and that I'm solitary?

This is quite a common narrative. But it is also very easy for it to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you don't believe that it is easy to make friends, it will be harder to make friends. People are social creatures. Smile, laugh, enjoy yourself, and celebrate the people around you; and you will have friends.

> Am I missing out on anything?

Probably, but such is the narrative of life. If you're concerned about unknown unknowns, then do more scary things. If you like programming and art, try skateboarding or maybe join the debate team and do some public speaking. Just do different stuff. You don't have to abandon the things you like, but you have to make time and space to push yourself into places that are uncomfortable.

> What hobbies do you advise me to adopt that I can do in a group, with camaraderie?

Anything with a group of individuals who are working together. Team sports, band, some ROTC, debate, school newspaper, . I would also caution against the impulse to be "better" than everyone else. Camaraderie comes from working together as a team, not from being better than your teammates. There is enough available success in the world to go around. There's no need to step on people to get there.

> Will college be the same or different than high school?

Both. People will still come in all flavors. The amplitudes of their behaviors will likely be different than what you're used to, but the same behaviors will be there.

> Can I have the same kind of youthful fun when I'm an adult?

Depends on how you define "youthful fun" and "adult". The available options of a 70 year old person are much more physically limited than a 17 year old person. And there is some continuous curve that links those two points. But at 70, you've had a lifetime to accumulate wealth (and maybe some time to blow it too), so the 17 year old may be more financially limited than the 70 year old. Do what you can with what you have.

Re: Ask HN: How can I make the most out of high school?

#12
As other people will probably tell you, I hated HS. For technical people it seems to be a common thread: stories of the type "I was miserable until I went to Uni, when I found out there's other people who like talking about the Linux kernel" are everywhere. So I will risk it and say "yes, it's normal to be solitary in HS if you're a technical person, but College is often better".

As far as hobbies go, it's more about you than about the hobby. I had a drawing group where we would gather at coffee shops and talk and draw for a couple hours. Sports are also surprisingly entertaining once you do them because you feel like it rather than because someone tells you to. I made lots of friends through martial arts.

Re: Ask HN: How can I make the most out of high school?

#13

As other people will probably tell you, I hated HS. For technical people it seems to be a common thread: stories of the type "I was miserable until I went to Uni, when I found out there's other people who like talking about the Linux kernel" are everywhere. So I will risk it and say "yes, it's normal to be solitary in HS if you're a technical person, but College is often better". As far as hobbies go, it's more about…

>when I found out there's other people who like talking about the Linux kernel

I went to an engineering school with a sizable CS/ECE program but I never found people like this.

My advice to OP is - go to a university that does have people like this.

Re: Ask HN: How can I make the most out of high school?

#14
1. Forget about what's "normal". Instead, ask yourself: "Is this going to contribute to my broader goals in life?" Having close friends in high school may offer valuable experiences in social dynamics and managing relationships, but chances are you won't remain friends with most of those people after high school, and that's ok.

2. Definitely research colleges thoroughly and apply to them, but realize that you don't have to go to college. And certainly not right out of high school. In some disciplines, such as web software engineering, those 4 years spent working with real clients could be more valuable for your career than spending lots of money on a Computer Science degree.

3. Leverage all the extra-curricular activities you can in order to gauge your interest in certain subjects. Obviously you can't register for everything, but pick, say 3 activities to focus on each semester and apply yourself to them. As life goes on, you'll have less and less carefree time to explore this stuff.

Re: Ask HN: How can I make the most out of high school?

#15
I've never regretted saying yes to an offer to socialise in a small group. It's easy to get lost at a party or a big event, but if you're one of four or five people sitting in a MacDonalds after class it's easier to talk and make friends. College will give you lots of opportunities to do things like that, and they'll be more useful than the massive social events if you're a little bit introverted.

Re: Ask HN: How can I make the most out of high school?

#17
> I don't know how to make close friends.

In my experience, it's much easier to do with people you have something in common. I didn't even know the names of most of my classmates in high school.

> Will college be the same or different than high school?

The best thing about college was the fact that other people stopped feeling like a bunch of scripted NPCs.

Re: Ask HN: How can I make the most out of high school?

#18
[apologies, wall of text follows]

A number of other people have suggested sports. I wish I had discovered Judo and Brazilian Jujitsu younger, but I was a competitive fencer and boxed in university. All sports give you a pool of people to have shared experiences with (maybe a bit artificial) whether they are team sports or individual sports.

The other element of these kind of 'instant friend' activities is that you can find a kind of 'placeholder' group of people to hang out with who may be able to introduce you to other people you are more likely to click with. I made some good friends from groups of people that I largely had nothing in common with but was hanging out with because of some girl (for example) - but you might wind up meeting way more interesting people on the periphery of a group you don't really 100% click with.

My friends in high school were generally 'shared interest' nerd friends (mostly Dungeons and Dragons as a core nerdy interest).

It's possible to make friends doing pretty much whatever - a lot of friends I had in university were my peers in CS and other subjects. We had to hang around in labs and classes together, though (and having a 4th year "honours" program in CS where we did 100% CS and all had on-campus shared offices was really good for that). So it's just as possible that you could wind up walking in, doing your work, and walking out. Cultivating some projects and working with a group might really help with that. A lot of undergraduates are considered disposable randos who are just interested in getting a qualification as quick as possible while accumulating as little extra knowledge as possible, but if you're interested in type theory, maybe you should be trying to work with a research group in something you like. Ideally go for a healthy research group that's actually at the place you want to go, not something that exactly fits your supposed interested right now (which will likely change). So if they have a big healthy machine learning group that welcomes undergraduate research interns vs one cranky weirdo doing type theory, do the former (that's better both socially and, likely, as research prep if that's the direction you want to go).

Do try to make sure that you're not assuming activities are asocial when they aren't, too. Maybe people are getting coffee after art class?

It's very hard to force the issue - I think people are more and more preoccupied with their phones and previous social connections via social media than they are interested in meeting new people. I suggest cultivating a lot of interests (including a wide variety of things), behaving yourself well, keeping an open mind and seeing what happens.

Of course, maybe you're just solitary by nature. But don't assume stuff. I substantially reinvented myself in university and essentially declared myself an extrovert after having been very introverted in HS. Despite some awkward moments from this forced transition (yes, someone trying to put on an extrovert skin can be about as dreadful as you might imagine) this was a very good idea long-term.

Re: Ask HN: How can I make the most out of high school?

#19

I hated high school (Dutch), with a passion. I felt restricted in what we were learning (set curriculum, almost no extracurricular possibilities), I disliked most people and it was posh (I'm not) and therefore had a bit of an overconfident air. I had fun: I cheated, I skipped classes, my motto was "minimum effort, maximum freedom." I went out a lot in Amsterdam in order to get my social fix and a read on what it mean…

Same here, hated highschool, flunked, skipped more classes that I can remember, ended up living abroad for a year in order to fix myself.

Re: Ask HN: How can I make the most out of high school?

#20
Socialize where you can. I say this as someone who is looking at putting together a wedding party and deciding on a best man. I had some good acquaintances in high school, then I had some good acquaintances in college, and then professionally. But no one that can really hit that "like a brother" spot that stuck through each major change. Beyond all the socializing and carefree stuff the one thing I wish is there was at least one person who I knew throughout all the big parts in my life.
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