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Ask HN: If anyone can code, why does hardly anyone pass interviews?

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Re: Ask HN: If anyone can code, why does hardly anyone pass interviews?

#11
I'd argue the premise that anyone can code. Yes anyone can type what they saw in a book or online, but not nearly as many can comprehend what they typed and understand what they are doing and the implications of it long term.

Second to that, technology interviews overall are STILL broken. I really don't give a shit if you know the Big O for a specific algorithm, I care if you know when you would use certain data structures/algorithms and not others. I care if you can work in a team and participate and have a passion to learn.

So I, long ago, dropped doing the whos smarter interviews and went to a method that let's me ask you real world scenarios and see how you think through them. Because in the end that's what we do daily. So I'll ask questions for real problems we have faced and solved and see how you would approach them to see how you think. I don't care if your answer is the same as what we did, I care that you can defend your answer and participate in healthy non-conflict debate because that's how we find the right answer. I also don't sit there and ask you to whiteboard an efficient for loop to reverse a string or take your pick on other stupid questions. That isn't to say I won't ask specific coding type questions, but I don't care about you solving some stupid problem on the spot. I do care if you know the content and can apply techniques to solve the problem, because if you have those two things, you can figure the rest out effectively.

Oh and I will never send you a problem and ask you to code something for me, even paid. That is the ultimate of lazy and disrespectful IMO. To me it is like saying, you are not worth my time, but if you can pass this test I MIGHT bother talking to you, but no guarantees.

An alternative I feel is respectful and fair is during an interview, I might present you with some code and ask you to do a code review on it. I am not asking you to do "work" for free but I am seeing how you will look and think through code, plus I will gain far more from being able to ask you questions and see how you think than sending you home with some problem where I have no insight to your thought process.

Re: Ask HN: If anyone can code, why does hardly anyone pass interviews?

#12

A lot of people pass interviews. Which still doesn't mean anything because the interviews rarely have anything to do with the job.

Huh? I've never been through a single coding interview that had nothing to do with the job. Would you mind sharing some of your experiences?

Re: Ask HN: If anyone can code, why does hardly anyone pass interviews?

#13
1. I am Serverless adtech coder.

2. I only do machine learning geared towards adtech

3. I can't be hired for php wordpress development because i charge way too much for it $500/hr

3. I won't bill for building Electron app either.

4. If someone wants to build ad tech platform in C# or Java, i will pass. I only code in Go, JavaScript and Rust. I'll not learn any other language!

In the adtech area, there are only 20-30 guys capable of building whole ad tech platform A to Z from scratch.

They don't have any shortage of jobs.

But some guy doing wordpress thing can't be hired to for adtech. Got it?

Obviously, i always keep complaining that there are just not enough coders in adtech who know adtech well!

Re: Ask HN: If anyone can code, why does hardly anyone pass interviews?

#14

1. I am Serverless adtech coder. 2. I only do machine learning geared towards adtech 3. I can't be hired for php wordpress development because i charge way too much for it $500/hr 3. I won't bill for building Electron app either. 4. If someone wants to build ad tech platform in C# or Java, i will pass. I only code in Go, JavaScript and Rust. I'll not learn any other language! In the adtech area, there are only 20-30…

How did you (how does one), get into your line of work ?

Re: Ask HN: If anyone can code, why does hardly anyone pass interviews?

#15

1. I am Serverless adtech coder. 2. I only do machine learning geared towards adtech 3. I can't be hired for php wordpress development because i charge way too much for it $500/hr 3. I won't bill for building Electron app either. 4. If someone wants to build ad tech platform in C# or Java, i will pass. I only code in Go, JavaScript and Rust. I'll not learn any other language! In the adtech area, there are only 20-30…

If you have some extra contracts that you don't have the capacity to complete and could use some extra hands, let me know. I would love to lend a hand and get some hands-on experience with what you do. You could pay me $100 and keep the $400 an hour for training me. If you want to discuss this further, my email is in my profile.

Re: Ask HN: If anyone can code, why does hardly anyone pass interviews?

#16
Well, I think you've got to realise a few things here:

1. While almost anyone can learn to code, it takes time to learn how to code well, and someone who's just starting out will obviously struggle to pass interviews. I mean, would you hire someone who picked up a book about Python two days ago and just learnt how to write a loop?

2. There is a huge difference in the level of skill required by different companies. Many people who apply for coding jobs will be above average for some opportunities, below average for others and average for others still. Is your average CMS theme developer likely to get a job at Google?

3. People's perceptions of their abilities vary wildly. A lot of the time, they'll go for jobs well above their skill level on the off chance they'll get it, and this happens for everyone from complete beginners to actual expert programmers. They may be able to pass an interview and become a programmer at a company, it just won't be for the type of company they're applying to.

4. Just because anyone can code doesn't mean everyone can code right now. Does that stop them applying for jobs? Not really. But it sure makes it unlikely they'll get said jobs.

In other words, there are quite a few factors here, even assuming being able to learn to code is a universal human trait.

Edit: A few more

5. Some people get nervous or fall apart in interviews, hurting their chances.

6. Culture fit is important for quite a few organisations, and there'll be candidates turned down because their priorities differ from those of the people already there.

7. Interview questions often don't actually judge someone's programming skill. Many companies end up relying on Google esque logic puzzle bullshit that has no real effect on anything.

8. The skillset required for passing interviews is different from the one required for doing the work.

9. Sometimes personal issues get in the way of a good interview or opportunity. Perhaps the interviewer was having a bad day, or the interviewee misunderstood the question. Or the boss/other employees were racist/sexist/classist/agist/whatever or had a personal dislike of the candidate based on first impressions.

Re: Ask HN: If anyone can code, why does hardly anyone pass interviews?

#17
post #2

Companies always interview a handful of candidates for each opening, so it feels like hardly anyone is passing because for each job, 1/7 gets it. On top of that just coding isn’t enough, you have to stand out so they can unambiguously say you’re the best. So you need soft skills and whiteboard skills as well.

So if they only hire the best 1/7, why do so many people say there are not enough coders on the job market and the demand is high? Why don't they just hire good coders too, not only the very best?

There are enough coders on the job market, but the good / experienced ones are not cheap “enough” for the companies.
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