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Ask HN: If Bitcoin is so great, why doesn’t it help the people in Turkey?

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Re: Ask HN: If Bitcoin is so great, why doesn’t it help the people in Turkey?

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Economists distinguish between real and monetary problems. If the government controls a big chunk of the real economy and makes bad decisions -- directing too many resources, say, to last-century commodities like steel and aluminum (the US), or building ghost cities (China) -- the monetary system isn't going to undo that. But suppose Turkey's problems were entirely monetary, so that an alternative currency really cou…

>Bitcoin charges something like $4 per transaction lately, and they take on the order of a day to process. It's unstable, and it's confusing to most people. "Bitcoin" is a protocol, like TCP or HTTP. It does not charge anything. You may as well have said "SMTP charges monthly access fees". The miner's accept transactions and prefer ones with the higher fee. User chooses their fee in accordance with how fast they want…

> half a cent or so

That's awesome!

It's still not obvious to me how a kind of transaction that takes 10 minutes to clear could replace cash -- but the outlook looks much better than when I was conflating the Bitcoin protocol with the Bitcoin Core currency. Thanks.

Re: Ask HN: If Bitcoin is so great, why doesn’t it help the people in Turkey?

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Economists distinguish between real and monetary problems. If the government controls a big chunk of the real economy and makes bad decisions -- directing too many resources, say, to last-century commodities like steel and aluminum (the US), or building ghost cities (China) -- the monetary system isn't going to undo that. But suppose Turkey's problems were entirely monetary, so that an alternative currency really cou…

> Bitcoin charges something like $4 per transaction > lately, and they take on the order of a day to process.

Huh? Current fees are $0.16 or less, and there's almost no backlog, meaning transactions confirm at maximum speed. Where are you getting your information from?

https://bitcoinfees.info/ https://www.blockchain.com/btc/unconfirmed-transactions https://www.blockchain.com/explorer

Re: Ask HN: If Bitcoin is so great, why doesn’t it help the people in Turkey?

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post #13

Economists distinguish between real and monetary problems. If the government controls a big chunk of the real economy and makes bad decisions -- directing too many resources, say, to last-century commodities like steel and aluminum (the US), or building ghost cities (China) -- the monetary system isn't going to undo that. But suppose Turkey's problems were entirely monetary, so that an alternative currency really cou…

> Bitcoin charges something like $4 per transaction > lately, and they take on the order of a day to process. Huh? Current fees are $0.16 or less, and there's almost no backlog, meaning transactions confirm at maximum speed. Where are you getting your information from? https://bitcoinfees.info/ https://www.blockchain.com/btc/unconfirmed-transactions https://www.blockchain.com/explorer

I tried it around a month ago, just to write a message on the blockchain, and the fee was around $4 then.

If bitinfocharts.com is to be believed, the fee has been as high as $55/transaction.

https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/bitcoin-transactionfees...

Re: Ask HN: If Bitcoin is so great, why doesn’t it help the people in Turkey?

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Bitcoin charges something like $4 per transaction lately, and they take on the order of a day to process. It's unstable, and it's confusing to most people. "Bitcoin" is a protocol, like TCP or HTTP. It does not charge anything. You may as well have said "SMTP charges monthly access fees". The miner's accept transactions and prefer ones with the higher fee. User chooses their fee in accordance with how fast they want…

> half a cent or so That's awesome! It's still not obvious to me how a kind of transaction that takes 10 minutes to clear could replace cash -- but the outlook looks much better than when I was conflating the Bitcoin protocol with the Bitcoin Core currency. Thanks.

0-confirmation on BCH network is 99.99% double spend fraud proof.

See video of how fraud is detected: https://twitter.com/POPbyHandCash/status/1029303157678108672...

With Bitcoin Core (BTC) they purposely ruined 0-confirmation via Replace-By-Fee (RBF) so you can never have it used as cash.

Bitcoin myths dispelled:

https://medium.com/@craig_10243/the-myths-of-bitcoin-bf3664e...

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