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Re: Ask HN: How did you start your business?

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I have had some side projects make a little bit of money, but never enough to make any sort of headway toward replacing my full-time job. My current effort is also a side business while I continue to work my FT job. It is definitely detrimental to the business to continue to devote 40+ hours per week to something else, but I need to feed my family (if I was young and single with no other financial obligations, I woul…

Depending on how far you take your business while young, you may find it difficult to go back to regular employment, especially in places where people expect you to be reliable and dedicated.

I'm not sure young people can take financial risks, unless they're already rich. If they're not rich, I'd sooner advise people to work for long enough to have a safety net of cash, as well as cash to invest in their idea first. A bonus you get while working is that you meet people who can potentially help you in your business later on. Seeing what's involved in a real business will also help you make more realistic estimates of what you'll need in your own.

The average age of the successful startup/business founder is way older than what the media lets people know by showing only the youngest entrepreneurs i.e. the outliers who are noteworthy. Those people happen to have industry experience and money that can be "risked".

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I left my job, took some time out, and then started building my business ( https://dependabot.com ). Financially, it's been tough - after 10 months Dependabot makes $2,100 a month (although that's now growing quite fast). I know I'm the kind of personality that couldn't have started it at the same time as working a full time job, though - I need to be really focussed on one thing at a time.

If you want those big money enterprise clients, add Maven and Nuget support.

Re: Ask HN: How did you start your business?

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The best thing that I was able to do is to reduce my fulltime job hours to part time, initially 3 days/week, and used the other time to grow my own business. This may or may not be applicable in every situation, but if you are a positive contributer in your working environment, it's unlikely that your boss would rather just replace you (and retrain a new person) instead of just having you work less. This eases the stress tremendously on the new business if you don't have to worry about eating and rent/mortgage payments.

Re: Ask HN: How did you start your business?

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I have had some side projects make a little bit of money, but never enough to make any sort of headway toward replacing my full-time job. My current effort is also a side business while I continue to work my FT job. It is definitely detrimental to the business to continue to devote 40+ hours per week to something else, but I need to feed my family (if I was young and single with no other financial obligations, I woul…

Depending on how far you take your business while young, you may find it difficult to go back to regular employment, especially in places where people expect you to be reliable and dedicated. I'm not sure young people can take financial risks, unless they're already rich. If they're not rich, I'd sooner advise people to work for long enough to have a safety net of cash, as well as cash to invest in their idea first.…

> The average age of the successful startup/business founder is way older than what the media lets people know by showing only the youngest entrepreneurs i.e. the outliers who are noteworthy.

Interesting point. If I think back to the person I was in my mid-20s, I would not have had the dedication, confidence, people skills, or even the technical know-how to pull off anything approaching a successful business (I still may not for all I know, but I'm trying). However, I've met a few brilliant people in that age range who seemed to excel in all of those attributes I just listed :) -- but they're definitely extreme outliers, as you say.

Re: Ask HN: How did you start your business?

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A few years ago I was working as an application security consultant at Accuvant LABS. I had been reading the small business and consulting writings of tptacek and patio11 on this site and elsewhere for some time before then.

My experience as a security consultant was mostly working with very large enterprises. The technical work was interesting for the most part, but there was a lot of mundane "process" minutia and bureaucratic scar tissue. I noticed that kickoff calls with these companies would involve myself and any other technical consultants scheduled on the engagement, sales representatives, my immediate manager, a "solutions architect", the account manager, several people from their side, etc...I also witnessed a lot of "we'll get back to you" and inefficient internal team communication happening. At the time they were billing out consultants for $10-12,000 per week, but each consultant was only typically paid about 20% of that. A lot of value was being captured by a process very clearly designed for enterprise sales funneling, whereas the technical meat of the process was receiving a relatively smaller portion of the value.

So I left that company and started my own consultancy, aiming to effectively streamline the logistical for a smaller absolute rate while capturing nearly all of it individually. I began by focusing on smaller clients, particularly seed stage and VC-funded tech companies. I differentiated myself by 1) setting my weekly rates at approximately half of the market norm, and 2) handling all the foregoing roles on my own. On kickoff calls I could confidently speak about the end-to-end process both technically and logistically. In particular, I prioritized getting technical cofounded on kickoff calls in one-to-one or one-to-two settings, doing technical deep dives to demonstrate value, and consolidating all the answers into a single half hour call. For the most part, this was extremely effective - founders enjoyed having a single person to speak to who could fluidly transition between both "languages" for them.

After the first few clients, I started asking each founder directly for a referral to other founders they knew who might need help with security. Within the first year I no longer had to do any sales; all new clients were coming in through passive referrals, and my personal compensation well eclipsed my former salary. I focused on getting early champions and repeat clients who would excessively evangelize my service. In return, the folks who sent me referrals early on have been promised a lock into the low weekly rate for the life of my consultancy, and at this point I've raised my rates enough that my pricing has nearly reached parity with the large, enterprise consultancies. However, I've entirely avoided large enterprise companies, and I keep the sales cycle to a few weeks at the most (with a few outliers here and there).

Now having said all of that, if I'm being fully honest with myself I feel that much of the success of my consultancy comes from being very lucky - particularly in the beginning, with respect to finding initial clients. I don't think it's at all typical to achieve a fully passive sales funnel in year one of a new consultancy. But I don't have any sense of how much that achievement is attributable to my own networking skill and business savvy (or excellent technical work) rather than to being in the right place at the right time.

Re: Ask HN: How did you start your business?

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My first company was a design agency which I started in 2005 with one other partner. I left my other job to do it after I got tired of working for other people.

Built that up to 80 people and left in 2012 to got to New York to help another company get acquired. That happened faster than I thought (hadn't anythhing to do with me), that company was Square were I spent 4 1/2 years. Last year I left to start a new product consultancy we are still two, have a bunch of freelancers and are about to hire our first people.

I have had a lot of side projects (still do) my most profitable one is Ghostnote. Because I live in NY I wouldn't be able to live from it but it does give me substantial income and I am working on a few more which will definitely put me in position to not even have to do consulting (although I really do enjoy it)

To me the most important benefit besides the money is freedom and if I have anything to say I will never work for someone again.

Re: Ask HN: How did you start your business?

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I started freelancing in 2012. Some years after, I started to understand I could never be rich or dissociate my income from my time while freelancing.

Started to build side projects 2 years ago. I roughly get $700/mrr with my 1st side project and my goal this year is $1.2k/mrr in 2018. So still far from being a full-time gig and still freelancing but increasing other revenues, which is my long term goal.

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