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Re: Ask HN: Should professional gamers be screened for performance enhancing drugs?

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Beta blockers to reduce jitters. Adderall to increase focus. Modafinil to eliminate tiredness.

I'm not sure about beta blockers, but Adderall doesn't do well for games - it's more suited to holding down attention on things like spreadsheets. Modafinil doesn't work nearly as well as sleep. It helps in learning, but not so much on the battlefield, unless someone had an all nighter. A few cups of tea might just do all of these better than drugs would. And things like L Theanine or creatine don't really need to be…

I agree with you, unless you have serious ADHD I don't think Adderall etc. would work very well.

I would imagine that Adderall would be useful for TRAINING for games, if you need to practice some repetitive task over and over (I'm thinking of ssbm here). Not that this warrants a ban.

Re: Ask HN: Should professional gamers be screened for performance enhancing drugs?

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No. Also I do not think Olympic athletes should be tested. I once competed at a very high level in sports and the use of drugs is significantly higher then anyone would expect. The difference was that the poorer countries only had access to old school steroids (testosterone, dbol, tren etc) while the richer countries had access to things which at the time were impossible to detect (GH, IGF-1, Research Peptides). The…

The problem is people respond differently to doping - and some people are hyper-responders

An example being Lance Armstrong was considered a hyper-responder to his doping, and it put him at unfair advantage.

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No. Also I do not think Olympic athletes should be tested. I once competed at a very high level in sports and the use of drugs is significantly higher then anyone would expect. The difference was that the poorer countries only had access to old school steroids (testosterone, dbol, tren etc) while the richer countries had access to things which at the time were impossible to detect (GH, IGF-1, Research Peptides). The…

The problem is people respond differently to doping - and some people are hyper-responders An example being Lance Armstrong was considered a hyper-responder to his doping, and it put him at unfair advantage.

How is being a hyper-responder meaningfully different from other genetic advantages that make a sport intrinsically unfair, like height?

Re: Ask HN: Should professional gamers be screened for performance enhancing drugs?

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If it would be shown to give a clear significance in gaming, then I guess there should be screened for it. As it would indeed be offering an unfair advantage.

Right, in athletic sports, you're supposed to get by on training and skill. Drugs are seen as cheating. What sort of enhancements would be seen as cheating by gamers?

There's also markets for gaming gear that has lower latency and modified gaming gear like console controllers with extra buttons or scriptable buttons.

I think the gear would give more of an advantage over drugs since it would be more consistent.

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But not all stimulants etc are used for performance enhancement, etc. There are many legitimate uses so like anything else, there would have to be exceptions to “the rule.”

In meat sports, if someone has a legitimate use for a stimulant then they are barred from competition nevertheless. In practice, this is better than someone getting the edge because of a medical condition.

> if someone has a legitimate use for a stimulant then they are barred from competition nevertheless.

Not entirely true - you might have a "therapeutic use exemption" (TUE).

See http://theconversation.com/athletes-need-performance-enhanci... for a good discussion

Re: Ask HN: Should professional gamers be screened for performance enhancing drugs?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, in athletic sports, you're supposed to get by on training and skill. Drugs are seen as cheating. What sort of enhancements would be seen as cheating by gamers?

There's also markets for gaming gear that has lower latency and modified gaming gear like console controllers with extra buttons or scriptable buttons. I think the gear would give more of an advantage over drugs since it would be more consistent.

Many professional tournaments have everyone playing on the exact same hardware for this reason. You bring your keyboard/mouse and everything else is identical between competitors.

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No. Also I do not think Olympic athletes should be tested. I once competed at a very high level in sports and the use of drugs is significantly higher then anyone would expect. The difference was that the poorer countries only had access to old school steroids (testosterone, dbol, tren etc) while the richer countries had access to things which at the time were impossible to detect (GH, IGF-1, Research Peptides). The…

Many people like to believe our choices are between letting the best drug infused athlete win, or the best drug free candidate win.

But based on your comment and other readings I think that is a false choice, and the real choice is between letting the best drug infused athlete win, or letting the best athlete who can hide their drug use win.

The difference between natty and enhanced body building is not drug use, but deception.

Re: Ask HN: Should professional gamers be screened for performance enhancing drugs?

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No. Also I do not think Olympic athletes should be tested. I once competed at a very high level in sports and the use of drugs is significantly higher then anyone would expect. The difference was that the poorer countries only had access to old school steroids (testosterone, dbol, tren etc) while the richer countries had access to things which at the time were impossible to detect (GH, IGF-1, Research Peptides). The…

Many people like to believe our choices are between letting the best drug infused athlete win, or the best drug free candidate win. But based on your comment and other readings I think that is a false choice, and the real choice is between letting the best drug infused athlete win, or letting the best athlete who can hide their drug use win. The difference between natty and enhanced body building is not drug use, but…

The common man doesn't care about 'natty' bodybuilders, they look pathetic compared to stars like The Rock or Arnie or Stallone or whoever else is the icon of manly manliness who may be roided to the gills or won the genetic lottery or (probably) both.

Bodybuilding is already a very niche thing that a lot of people don't even consider a sport in itself (should beauty contests be an olympic discipline too?).

Re: Ask HN: Should professional gamers be screened for performance enhancing drugs?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, in athletic sports, you're supposed to get by on training and skill. Drugs are seen as cheating. What sort of enhancements would be seen as cheating by gamers?

There's also markets for gaming gear that has lower latency and modified gaming gear like console controllers with extra buttons or scriptable buttons. I think the gear would give more of an advantage over drugs since it would be more consistent.

Great point, thanks for your input!
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