I'm running Arch on my Surface Pro 3 for work. It works pretty well for me. Some hurdles, but it's nice to have the control.
Ask HN: What to replace my MacBook with?
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Re: Ask HN: What to replace my MacBook with?
#12If you can get something preloaded with Linux it is probably best. System 76 or the Dell precision line of laptops are good options. In the case of dell I would go precision over XPS - I believe you get better support and a better tested product with the business line. I have an XPS and have had a few QA issues with it. However, once I got it sorted it has been great running Ubuntu - but it was a ..... journey to say…
I have been thinking about getting a XPS 13 and getting Linux on it too. Currently, I repurposed a very old laptop (heavy and poor battery life) by installing CentOS Linux on it, and it runs great and I can do productive dev work on it (just can't carry it anywhere since it's too heavy). Curious, are the issues you had with the XPS bad enough that you'd recommend getting a different line (like Precision) over it? I r…
In response to the second part of your comment, I don't think so, aside from new features that might be present in newer kernels than the Redhat family distros provide.
Re: Ask HN: What to replace my MacBook with?
#13Buy a used IT laptop from eBay and install your favorite Linux flavor on it.
Re: Ask HN: What to replace my MacBook with?
#14I'd look into the Dell XPS. Its build quality competes with the MacBook, it's one of the smallest laptops of it size (either 13 or 15) and the 4k screen is absolutely stunning (although some prefer fhd for the improved battery life). I got mine recently and I'm loving it.
Re: Ask HN: What to replace my MacBook with?
#15I went from a stolen 2015 MBP to an X230 (modified with an X220 keyboard) to a new MBP. With the thinkpads, the smaller screen and lower resolution will take some getting used to. Running a customized window manager in Linux is the best solution when it works but you shouldn't discount the amount of time you will lose to tinkering and random breakages.
My personal belief is that, for a working dev, MacOS is still the best deal running. The fact of the matter is that it will always work and any new software you want to install will have a well documented how to. Even if you don't want to run MacOS, I'd still probably recommend buying an MBP and dual booting linux on it. Thinkpads are great, the x220 keyboard is probably the best keyboard ever put on a laptop, but the screens are horrible, you will notice the RAM and CPU shortage, and battery life was an issue. Further, the form factor is not as small as an MBP.
If you are going down the Thinkpad route, the X62 is an interesting option custom made by an enthusiast group in Shenzhen. [1] Otherwise, Hackaday wrote a fairly modern Thinkpad buyer's guide [2]. One thing I would note is that upgrading the x230 keyboard to the x220 keyboard is trivial and only requires a jeweler's screwdriver and a few new parts (about $70). You can also upgrade the x230 screen to an HD screen but that is a significantly more complicated upgrade.
[1] https://geoff.greer.fm/2017/07/16/thinkpad-x62/ [2] https://hackaday.com/2016/10/28/apple-sucks-now-heres-a-thin...
Re: Ask HN: What to replace my MacBook with?
#16If you can get something preloaded with Linux it is probably best. System 76 or the Dell precision line of laptops are good options. In the case of dell I would go precision over XPS - I believe you get better support and a better tested product with the business line. I have an XPS and have had a few QA issues with it. However, once I got it sorted it has been great running Ubuntu - but it was a ..... journey to say…
I have been thinking about getting a XPS 13 and getting Linux on it too. Currently, I repurposed a very old laptop (heavy and poor battery life) by installing CentOS Linux on it, and it runs great and I can do productive dev work on it (just can't carry it anywhere since it's too heavy). Curious, are the issues you had with the XPS bad enough that you'd recommend getting a different line (like Precision) over it? I r…
Some of the issues I had with 9550 XPS:
- battery swelling
- fan spinning on high speed for no apparent reason (not due to CPU load)
- random wakeups while sleeping (happened in my bag once and the laptop almost overheated :( ). This was eventually fixed via BIOS updates
- lots and lots of BIOS updates to fix all kinds of issues- at least 1-2 every month since its initial release. Although I am glad they are being fixed
- OEM wifi card (broadcom) was a POS in both Linux and Windows (Windows came with the box). I replaced with Intel card and life has been great.
The above may not be a problem in current XPS (9660 I think), but I really don't know. The XPS forums I have been to seem to filled with people with issues and instead recommending Precisions if you are OK with a less gaming based GPU. Plus you get business support and not the craptastic consumer support. If I were to do it again and wanted a 15" I'd definitely go with 5520 precision.
RE: XPS size and weight vs Precision -> If you stick with 5000 series it is almost the same box. If you bump to 7000 series you are getting into supersize land (but you can also fill it with more goodies that of course weigh more). The only downside is that all precision laptops are 15" - if you want smaller form factors you would need to go XPS (e.g XPS 13).
RE: Ubuntu v RH variants - it doesn't matter. Go with what is comfortable and familiar to you. AFAIK Ubuntu may have a more desktop/laptop friendly setup unless you go with Fedora (which is pretty much equivalent to Ubuntu non-LTS versions).
One final thing: the one thing that the Dells have over the Macbooks is user serviceable parts. IN the 15" models, you can replace SSD, WiFi, battery, memory very easily AND without compromising weight or size. I really wish Apple would get off the thin -> super-thin -> paper-thin? ride and offer this kind of modularity again. Hell at minimum allow replacement of SSD, memory.... but that is another rant for another time :)
Re: Ask HN: What to replace my MacBook with?
#17I went from a stolen 2015 MBP to an X230 (modified with an X220 keyboard) to a new MBP. With the thinkpads, the smaller screen and lower resolution will take some getting used to. Running a customized window manager in Linux is the best solution when it works but you shouldn't discount the amount of time you will lose to tinkering and random breakages. My personal belief is that, for a working dev, MacOS is still the…
> With the thinkpads, the smaller screen and lower resolution will take some getting used to
What takes getting used to is that Thinkpad screens are trash. :( I’ve been so disappointed in them. They start mediocre and decline rapidly with blotching and ghosting. I’ve used Thinkpads for my personal laptop and my work laptop and refuse to own another. My manager has a recent Thinkpad with an OLED screen which seems pretty good but I’m not willing to try another. I fully expect that in 6 months his OLED will exhibit ghosting or burn in.
Re: Ask HN: What to replace my MacBook with?
#18I just did this because my MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Late 2013) / 16GB / 1TB machine finally developed a hardware fault they want motherboard replacement money to fix (occasional but frequent hard resets).
After checking the cost of a new MBP (basically almost same specs as the old one, plus touch bar!) and then noticing a Dell sale on before Xmas here in Sydney, I decided to replace it with a Dell XPS 15 9560 (laptop version, not the split-part "2-in-1" version, in black, with max memory and hard disk) for about ½ - ⅔ of the price of a Macbook Pro, but with better specs. The physical build of the machine takes some getting used to but I prefer the keyboard immensely, the black/carbon fiber finish is excellent and the high-grip "don't fall off table" feature is also great. As I have been focusing on family over Christmas and also have a company to run I am time short, so still setting up Gentoo, but set myself the somewhat uncharted goal of ZFS root (achieved!) and am enjoying the setup so far. Yet to finalize optimum video setup as the machine has two chips, X11 does not yet want to function correctly with the closed source nvidia-drivers on super-new kernels, but it works awesome for angband and X does work fine with the open source i915 drivers. Current notes on the Gentoo wiki at https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Dell_XPS_15_9560
Re: Ask HN: What to replace my MacBook with?
#19I would recommend Thinkpad T470s. I have used both Lenovo T460s, T470 laptops and Dell XPS developer edition with Linux. I personally prefer the Lenovo.
Here is a detailed review of T470s https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T470s-Core-i7-...
Here is ranking of Laptop brands by Laptop mag, Lenovo rank best laptop brand. https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/laptop-brand-ratings
Re: Ask HN: What to replace my MacBook with?
#20I see a lot of ThinkPads and Dells here, but how about hp? Are they good for Linux?