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Ask HN: Why are larger e-readers much more expensive than tablets?

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Re: Ask HN: Why are larger e-readers much more expensive than tablets?

#11
Not sure if there's something specific about e-paper technology that makes it expensive despite being seemingly primitive compared to a typical tablet. But it's worth pointing out that none of the most expensive e-readers are more expensive than the cheapest iPads ($400 for the iPad Mini with 128-GB and a 7.9 inch screen), which most definitely have sophisticated screens (Retina, multitouch).

I'm a longtime iPad user but I have one of the cheaper Amazon Fire tablets (whatever was the 7-inch model that sold for $30 for last year's Black Friday). I mean, it's a tablet, but it's not very fun to use compared to my iPad/iPhone because of how clunky the multitouch is (among other things). And the screen isn't high res -- under 200 ppi IIRC. Even the new Kindle Fire HD 10-inch model maxes out at just 224 ppi.

The ebook reader I currently own is the Kindle Voyage, which apparently has 300 ppi on a 6 inch screen at a cost of $199. The Kindle that I would recommend is the Paperwhite, which is just $90, while also having the same screen quality as the Voyage.

(I owned the Paperwhite before getting the Voyage. I don't have any complaints about the Voyage but I honestly could not tell you why it's any better than I remember the Paperwhite being).

So if PPI is a large factor in cost of screen, it turns out that the Kindle e-readers aren't that much out of whack compared to the Amazon Fire HD tablets. Yes, it's just black and white, but for most books, that's all you need. And it is very legible black-and-white. I have an iPad Pro but I do almost all of my e-reading on the Kindle.

If you're a student, one thing I might worry about is whether the Kindles and their small screen can handle all of the textbooks that you might use. For books where layout is important, the small Kindle can be kind of a pain. And some books (purchased on Amazon) will refuse to open on the Kindle, so I have to view them on my iPad. I imagine the 10-inch version of the Kindle Fire would handle full=size books, but that is me just guessing.

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You probably have seen these links, but just in case:

https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/amazon-kindle-is-the-best-...

https://goodereader.com/blog/category/reviews

Re: Ask HN: Why are larger e-readers much more expensive than tablets?

#12

I believe mass manufacturing drives down the prices. Book owners like to read something that is handheld ~6inches. Book readers won't buy large eink devices. I don't think the eink screens are that costly. It may have something to do with the demand. This is ridiculously expensive https://remarkable.com And the Sony Digital Paper is expensive too. I would love to see more phone cases with eink screens.

The remarkable tablet would be amazing if there was a print driver to send the document directly to your device.

Re: Ask HN: Why are larger e-readers much more expensive than tablets?

#13
post #3

It's mostly the screen. Manufacturing costs scale non-linearly with area due to defect rate. I think they are really worth it, though. Now some 13 inch models even accept video input, so you can potentially use it as a terminal / PDF screen.

Any links/examples to the 13-inch models, please?

Re: Ask HN: Why are larger e-readers much more expensive than tablets?

#14
Limited market. Can't sell them to folks who want to read novels. Can't sell them to folks who want the full features of a tablet. Can't sell them to folks who want colour, such as comic readers.

They are really only useful for reference books, and mostly of interest in academia.

Re: Ask HN: Why are larger e-readers much more expensive than tablets?

#17
I remember KindleDX since you can get A4 (or US Letter) w/o zooming in/out.

But... DX is phased out and has no replacement. Also most eReaders are slow - due display. There is no needs for something super-fast but there is needs to be energy efficient. And mine Kindle Touch (ver. 5 i think) battery lasts few weeks (between 2-3).

Re: Ask HN: Why are larger e-readers much more expensive than tablets?

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post #16

Is anyone else looking for an inexpensive, 13-inch, read-only e-ink tablet for reading pdfs? If this exists can someone point me in the right direction? I feel like I can't be the only one who's been looking for this.

I would love such a device too.

Re: Ask HN: Why are larger e-readers much more expensive than tablets?

#19
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish they would make defective units available at a lower price. I don't mind some stuck pixels if it means I can get the reader half off.

I think you're being too optimistic about the discount to defect ratio.

What happens to a defective unit? Is it disassembled with the base components put back in the assembly line? Or is it just sent to the landfill? I suppose OP was assuming defective units are just trashed.

Re: Ask HN: Why are larger e-readers much more expensive than tablets?

#20
post #16

Is anyone else looking for an inexpensive, 13-inch, read-only e-ink tablet for reading pdfs? If this exists can someone point me in the right direction? I feel like I can't be the only one who's been looking for this.

Inexpensive? No. But you're basically describing Sony's DPT-RP1:

https://www.sony.com/electronics/digital-paper-notepads/dpt-...

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/4/10/15242238/s...

It's $700. Also, it can take input from a stylus to annotate the documents on it. But otherwise it's what you want. I, too, wish there were cheaper options for this purpose - even if it was a thick, heavy monitor with a stand and built-in 120V power supply rather than a tablet (though I suppose the power characteristics of e-ink displays mean that the economics will typically prefer the tablet form-factor). Reading is just a lot more pleasant on an e-ink display.

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